about OF relicts.

the guards are lvl 60, the commanders 65-70 and the lord 70-75. at elast when i played active.

the less keeps you have the fewer the guards be.

this is to prevent 1-3 groups from taking the relict without any keeps first.
altough it has been done on live often, with our population it should work.
if for example the mdis have all ghib keep, 2 groups can get the relict after the dorrs are open.

and we need all zones of OF. period.

The problem solved itselve most of the time.... When Emain get to much "Zerg from Albs", we (i allways was Hib on live) went away and get to the enemy´s land. We start a keepraid there... and we get inc very soon.

This is the way players can controll some situation themselve. But they need to cooperate and realy be "ONE REALM". OF was much more cooperative than anything that followed up.

I can remember very good what a hell it was to get to Emain solo.. stelthers take you out very often. But there was no warmap, so the stealthers do some more then just camping somewhere. They where the eys of the realm...

The warmap was some of the worst things to implement... it kills the communication inside the realm in most RvR issues.

The time it takes to make a keepraid by an enemy public was just right. OF RvR was much more tactical, cooperation was the holy key.. And i miss that...

tazok wrote:
but the real difference is that emain has proven itself and OF can be expanded, while bgs are just bgs.

Ive been proposing to use bg (cathal valley) as the rvr hotspot and of (or new frontier) zones for keep sieging/relic raiding. I dont see how one can disapprove of having both forms of play...

The alternative is to go back to the way things were "in the old days" and i think people's nostalgia or ignorance is factoring here negatively, in looking at this objectively in terms of "do we really want all the crap that came with the old days? Shouldnt we be some what creative here and tweak the system ?"


I think people need more options to vote on to be honest. This poll/thread(although well intentioned i guess) doesnt seem to really be about getting input from the community but more or less seems to have the effect of attempting to drum up acceptance of decisions already made by the staff (going with frontier). I think some of the ideas people have proposed here ought to be explored and included into a new poll. If this threads intended purpose is truly to get the pulse on what people want to do with the server then i think its fair to say that the suggestions made here ought to be taken seriously and given out as options for people to choose the direction of the server.

Zippity wrote:

tazok wrote:
but the real difference is that emain has proven itself and OF can be expanded, while bgs are just bgs.

Ive been proposing to use bg (cathal valley) as the rvr hotspot and of (or new frontier) zones for keep sieging/relic raiding. I dont see how one can disapprove of having both forms of play...

The alternative is to go back to the way things were "in the old days" and i think people's nostalgia or ignorance is factoring here negatively, in looking at this objectively in terms of "do we really want all the crap that came with the old days? Shouldnt we be some what creative here and tweak the system ?"


I think people need more options to vote on to be honest.

Up, IMHO the best thing is to merge the best things of the NF with the best ones of OF. Nostalgia (always IMO) is not a valid motivation to get them back. I played really a few on OF but i voted for them after i made a comparrison between those 2 and after had talk to someone that played on them and that liked them not for nostalgia but for the style they had. Daoc in the years had got lot of improvements, and it's negative to bring everything back to 5 years ago, first because like i said not everything new is crap and second because staff made lot of work to implement new features and would be a pity to loose them just for a bit of nostalgia. DAoC Style before TOA was great, but a totally port of daoc to classic is a devolution not a progress, and this is a general consideration, not limited to Frontiers.
A studied mix of Classic and SI DAoC with the addition of a few improvement that came with the newer versions would be a perfect solutions IMO to make about everyone happy and have a server that brings "The best of" of daoc

A personal consideration about another thing: would be nice if races start again in different places (nordics at vasudheim, trolls at galpen ecc), maybe i'm the only one that think this, but it brings some more adventure to the first (boring) levels

tyrevok wrote:A personal consideration about another thing: would be nice if races start again in different places (nordics at vasudheim, trolls at galpen ecc), maybe i'm the only one that think this, but it brings some more adventure to the first (boring) levels

This is planned. First quests are implemented. Not all will like it. But as you said its a more diverse start for every race instead being everything equal. Thats how I remember it from live back in that time. It adds to atmosphere imo.

Back to topic.

I agree with CV being a bg and limited but implementing old frontiers wouldn't solve the problem of today. it is too hard to find inc in rvr sometimes so maybe implementing just emain to start would be the best bet. if you implement emain, odin, and hadrian at the start with a small population we will have the same problem as now but it will take even longer to find inc because of waiting on portals etc. at least now we can port to agramon after death and we all start relatively close.

I agree with CV being a bg and limited but implementing old frontiers wouldn't solve the problem of today. it is too hard to find inc in rvr sometimes so maybe implementing just emain to start would be the best bet. if you implement emain, odin, and hadrian at the start with a small population we will have the same problem as now but it will take even longer to find inc because of waiting on portals etc. at least now we can port to agramon after death and we all start relatively close.

Pujoo wrote:I agree with CV being a bg and limited but implementing old frontiers wouldn't solve the problem of today. it is too hard to find inc in rvr sometimes so maybe implementing just emain to start would be the best bet. if you implement emain, odin, and hadrian at the start with a small population we will have the same problem as now but it will take even longer to find inc because of waiting on portals etc. at least now we can port to agramon after death and we all start relatively close.

Not if Dun Crauchon would be the only keep to affect DF control to start with. Besides the fact that people will most likely pick Emain as the main RvR zone due to old live experience, people that haven't got live experience will get drawn to Emain due to the fact that Dun Crauchon is the only keep controlling DF. This however will not only draw people to Emain to get the keep, also just to kill other players without sieging.

valid point^

Haldan wrote: So, the logic move would be to offer OF including OF-RA-system without any modifications.

Since it seems OF map is but a step in making this server classic flavoured, then could you please answer the only question I asked on the OF RA+1.65 thread : when you consider making the server more classic than it's present state, do you also consider offering a class respec for the players of classes whose gameplay would be deeply modified were OF RA + 1.65 to be actually implemented ?

Well, while you kind gents are working out the details of the new OF system, could we have a revert to the previous agramon system of last year with Fensalir Faste inside agramon and closed milegates? I know this system wasnt perfect, and you eventually want an end rvr zone with less customs but here is why I am asking. Ever since we changed to the relic system, camps or no camps, there has been a serious decrease in the casual players in NF. Only now remains the hardcore rvr addicts. We now have about 30%-50% more active players than we used to during the days of Fensalir in Agra, but we have 30%-50% less active 50 rvr. I understand your wish for non custom rvr zones, but at least in the old system we had both casual and hardcore players together in one place. I think OF can also achieve this, but for now we are breeding some really crap rvr. I mean no offense and I know you guys are doing your best to do what the community wishes and fulfill the ethos of this server at the same time! Keep up the good work, this is just an idea to improve the state of things for the time being!

Hi Staff,

the more it get's more likey that we get OF on Uth - how about adding a custom Porter to each of the home keeps (DL, Sauvage, Svasud) taking players just over the wall into OF? They could examine the whole zone (of course empty) and take a look at the keeps.

That would only be very little work to do. Currently I had to run a default DOL-shard to show a few mates the OF, and thought you could do so too by just adding a NPC?

Greetings,

Gei-myEnglishsucks-brasch

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