yop what people want and what is good at the end seems pretty different ^^
i remember the majority wanted agramon and none came there to rvr...

Alandrian wrote:No class will get more skillpoints than now.

I know that, but those classes get the extra skillpoints without working for them.

@nixian: daoc is a game, not a job you have to do.. sure it's nice to work for something and then see the results, but different ppl have different points of view of how much time they want to spend to see those results. I can earn something and be lazy in real life, in daoc I want to have fun..

Isador wrote:

Alandrian wrote:No class will get more skillpoints than now.

I know that, but those classes get the extra skillpoints without working for them.

@nixian: daoc is a game, not a job you have to do.. sure it's nice to work for something and then see the results, but different ppl have different points of view of how much time they want to spend to see those results. I can earn something and be lazy in real life, in daoc I want to have fun..

well I keep getting told those extra points aint much of a difference.. then let us keep those points if we worked for them.. and if u want them too u can work for it too

if u dont find that fun dont AT.. if you do.. then AT.. shouldnt just get everything for free imo + nothing wrong with AT as it is atm..

new players have had just as much a chance of reading about AT as i had when i started playing daoc.. if they find out about AT.. reroll? shouldnt by those reading and being up to dates loss that new players dont research a bit

but dr_luecke says it good.. what people want is easy mode.. but making it all easy mode will that make server better?

nixian wrote:

Isador wrote:

Alandrian wrote:No class will get more skillpoints than now.

I know that, but those classes get the extra skillpoints without working for them.

@nixian: daoc is a game, not a job you have to do.. sure it's nice to work for something and then see the results, but different ppl have different points of view of how much time they want to spend to see those results. I can earn something and be lazy in real life, in daoc I want to have fun..

well I keep getting told those extra points aint much of a difference.. then let us keep those points if we worked for them.. and if u want them too u can work for it too

if u dont find that fun dont AT.. if you do.. then AT.. shouldnt just get everything for free imo + nothing wrong with AT as it is atm..

new players have had just as much a chance of reading about AT as i had when i started playing daoc.. if they find out about AT.. reroll? shouldnt by those reading and being up to dates loss that new players dont research a bit

but dr_luecke says it good.. what people want is easy mode.. but making it all easy mode will that make server better?

First of all: Thx calling me lazy

Maybe you couldnt understand that pve is not very interesting if you already have abot 20 lev-50 chars on live-servers.

On Uthgard it makes much more fun to level because you find other guys who level their chars and so you find level-groups here.

But: It is extremly hard to get xp here and i wont start a new paladin now when i wont get the at-points. That would realy make me mad.
I want to have fun...not to work for leveling a perfect char.

If the Uthgard-Stuff says: "Hey, no chance to get AT-System kickt out the game", it would be ok for me. Then i delete the paladin and level a diferent NON-AT-CHAR. So i would have fun too.

AT-System is a BUG in times where everybody can respec his chars. The only sense of AT where in times when nobody could change the skills of his chars. Thats a fakt.

I think the only reason against that is, that you dont want me and other players to get something you havent had for your self. Not very nice from you...

I think everything is said about this thread....best thing would be to close it and the staff should tell us what they want to do in this thing about AT od NOT-AT.

I wont ready flames ala "you are lazy" or something from people who grudge other Players something

First of all: Thx calling me lazy

But: It is extremly hard to get xp here and i wont start a new paladin now when i wont get the at-points. That would realy make me mad.
I want to have fun...not to work for leveling a perfect char.

1st
ok sorry got a little flamy there but honestly it is a little lazy wanting something without working for it (atleast thats what my boss call lazyness when i wanna get paid for staring out the window)

2nd
some people actually find it fun to make the perfect char.. thats why i ATed.. if it was to compete i would have just lvled normally and gained rps and xp much faster.. i find it FUN to work on a toon and make it perfect.. thats why ive spend pretty much half a year on my NS and to find the perfect template for him (still working on it since legggendaries are going out too)

nixian, it's a game ... GAME ! G A M E ! ... get it !, not to forget, at is not slower than non-at ... go get a group ! if your social skills allow that ...


sorry

silenced wrote:nixian, it's a game ... GAME ! G A M E ! ... get it !, not to forget, at is not slower than non-at ... go get a group ! if your social skills allow that ...


sorry

wow somebody is getting fustrated today

yes its a game.. so why u so mad about me wanting to keep old system where people spend extra time if they want something cool?

shouldnt u be all cool and be: let it be the old way if i want my autotraining ill spend more time on my toon getting it

there's noone frustrated ... =)


it's just fun to see how you try to defend something and want to earn something special for which is nothing special at all, although you know: the vote is set to "i lose" ...


anyways, off to nightshift, having some fun

silenced wrote:there's noone frustrated ... =)


it's just fun to see how you try to defend something and want to earn something special for which is nothing special at all, although you know: the vote is set to "i lose" ...


anyways, off to nightshift, having some fun

once again.. if its nothing special at all why u want it? let me have my joy getting it while working for it

i voted for NO. keep the old system. I dont care for guys who played live and leveld 50 level 50 chars with ml and cl etc.. i dont fking care. this is another shard, and if u wanna get a level 50 with at points, then DO IT ALL THE AT WAY without mourning and whining and yelling etc.
if u dont want at, just live with no at points. it aint that much difference at all, but its is a difference for the ppl who worked their ass of to get a full at char. Dont ever kill this system, just only bc some ex-live-morons yell at you,that live implemented that long time ago (1.87) and why not here.. hey.wheres the wizards nearsight in earth line? (1.81) ? hey..wheres the snapshot ability on that armsman on level 25 xbow? ( 1.81)..no hey..we need a 1.87 change.

the at system is a love for those,who do extrawork for their chars, they at, they dont get invited by stupid progamers (we all know whos meant), they need more time. but they know they did something not everyone can do. and hey, theres not much not everyone can do on this shard anymore.

do this shard a favour.. fix ALL bugs.. implement ALL chars and abilities as they should be. and then..finally. look what could help the ppl else. tinderboxes..good work. legendary weapons.. crap work..

noone needs that at-change. the system works well as it is atm. and if its a benefit for some players, who really take the effort to earn these points..dont take these points away and waste the time theyve spendt on that goal.

DanGer666 wrote:i voted for NO. keep the old system. I dont care for guys who played live and leveld 50 level 50 chars with ml and cl etc.. i dont fking care. this is another shard, and if u wanna get a level 50 with at points, then DO IT ALL THE AT WAY without mourning and whining and yelling etc.
if u dont want at, just live with no at points. it aint that much difference at all, but its is a difference for the ppl who worked their ass of to get a full at char. Dont ever kill this system, just only bc some ex-live-morons yell at you,that live implemented that long time ago (1.87) and why not here.. hey.wheres the wizards nearsight in earth line? (1.81) ? hey..wheres the snapshot ability on that armsman on level 25 xbow? ( 1.81)..no hey..we need a 1.87 change.

the at system is a love for those,who do extrawork for their chars, they at, they dont get invited by stupid progamers (we all know whos meant), they need more time. but they know they did something not everyone can do. and hey, theres not much not everyone can do on this shard anymore.

do this shard a favour.. fix ALL bugs.. implement ALL chars and abilities as they should be. and then..finally. look what could help the ppl else. tinderboxes..good work. legendary weapons.. crap work..

noone needs that at-change. the system works well as it is atm. and if its a benefit for some players, who really take the effort to earn these points..dont take these points away and waste the time theyve spendt on that goal.

fully agree

who cares?? if somone is not aware of AT, you think he will be any better if he gets it for free?? get real, i know abouth AT and never did it, i wanne have fun when i play, AT is no fun at all... so i don't do it..

if staff thinks they will get more players or more rvr with this change..; i doubt it..

i try to have fun in here, if it isn't fun, i log out, and believe me, 95% of uth players tink the same as me..

this thread is a battle of ego's.. i did AT so i'm better, i don't want other to get it for free..

AT didn't make you better, the fact that you did AT just states that you where better all the way.. you know the game, you know the char, you made it as good as it can get and you play it as it should be played.. no free points can match that, no way...

let em give the at points to others for free, so what, what are they gonne do with it?? nuffing at all..

they still won't be able to match toe power of a well played char.

i even find the difference between at and non at chars futile,

the only thing i think they should do is give everyone a chance to reset starting stats, most new players don't have a clue and just click a way or leave em as they are.. so a lot of lvl 50 chars have wrong stats, and if they give a respec for starting stats nobody will complain cause nobody had to grind 40+ lvl's with crappy skills to gain some points, but a lot of chars would be playable again, giving players at least the idea they finaly can go to agra...

i votoed yes, but i think i was wrong.. it must feel like you made a leg crafter, spending weeks and weeks of farming and crafting, to read staff will make everyone legendart crafter for free...

All that cried about their at points write as if at is that big deal. archer can level quite easy melee specc. assassins dont need stealth in a levelgroup. Most tanks beside warrior can level with 'crush'. Leaving pala and minstrel. And i bet nixan hasnt levelt one of them at, did you ? So most people that doe not at are newcomer or pala/minstrel i guess. Newcome will usually not have the perfect level 50 specc when they begin. So and those might get hit by the respecc problem then.

Alandrian wrote:All that cried about their at points write as if at is that big deal. archer can level quite easy melee specc. assassins dont need stealth in a levelgroup. Most tanks beside warrior can level with 'crush'. Leaving pala and minstrel. And i bet nixan hasnt levelt one of them at, did you ? So most people that doe not at are newcomer or pala/minstrel i guess. Newcome will usually not have the perfect level 50 specc when they begin. So and those might get hit by the respecc problem then.

edit: removed offencive part because i dont want a bann

alan PM me for some whinning


on topic: just give us some reward or do not put this in staff.. really tired of argueing

I think this discussion runs circles. So closed.