ZaiQQ wrote:Ditch the pve, its really not what the server needs, plenty of useless farming going on, though only a fraction of the server pop actually engages in rvr, which is what daoc is about.

Just because people don't RVR how you want them to doesnt mean they don't do it. We frequently reach more than 1/2 of total server population in RVR zones. Maybe a bit of hunting is in order.

Abydos wrote:

ZaiQQ wrote:Ditch the pve, its really not what the server needs, plenty of useless farming going on, though only a fraction of the server pop actually engages in rvr, which is what daoc is about.

Just because people don't RVR how you want them to doesnt mean they don't do it. We frequently reach more than 1/2 of total server population in RVR zones. Maybe a bit of hunting is in order.

ye, if for you go task and kill guard is rvr, lol

Abydos wrote:

ZaiQQ wrote:Ditch the pve, its really not what the server needs, plenty of useless farming going on, though only a fraction of the server pop actually engages in rvr, which is what daoc is about.

Just because people don't RVR how you want them to doesnt mean they don't do it. We frequently reach more than 1/2 of total server population in RVR zones. Maybe a bit of hunting is in order.

I didn't neglect the keep raiders or w/e, I neglected the pure pve parts such as dragon/legion. Just because people stand afk in apk/mpk/dl doesn't mean they are actually participating. Just because people run into SH/Marfach/Dodens/Halls doesn't mean that they are rvring. I bet you even count the DF population as rvr population. I didn't say anything about people having to 8v8, zerg, 1v1, or anything. I just said, server doesn't need more pve. So read what I wrote and stop interpreting things that aren't there.

Please add more pve content.

I like hitting on npcs

Loranos wrote:

Abydos wrote:So what happens if she got all items reskinned?

You can see that the player is very active in rvr.
You could give a max. of 3 buyable reskins to avoid a complete overflow (and I wouldnt even see a prob with that...)

Abydos wrote: What happens if others start doing it?

OMG! People would do rvr. No way! Thats not the goal of the shard.

Abydos wrote:How long can such a scheme survive before it breaks down?

WTF? Its just a skin, its for the look! We are not talking about a revolution...

I agree with this pretty much, except even the max on reskins. If she manages to get enough BPs to reskin everything on her, get effects, and just completely deck out her character, that means she was out in rvr working for every one of those, and I see no problem with that.

Like I said before, the key is locking the reskins to the toon, because then they have no monetary value, only intrinsic value because you have to work your ass off in RvR to get them.

As said before, if you doubt if it will do anything to the population fine. But if there is little harm done to the server it is at least worth attempting it, because the bottom line is people like shiny things, and will do a lot of things to get them.

Like I have said in previous post all you can do is give it a try. What is the worst that could happen you see more people with reskins? I mean come on this "Reskin" thing has gotten out of hand. This does nothing to make your character any better it just makes it look better and blinged out. If that is what it takes to get people coming back who cares...

Aybdos, I am sure people will come to rvr to get enough bps for a reskin. Most people who come here have sent me "it would be a dream to get a skin here and wished they would drop more often then they do now".

PS: I have said this before you can just put a npc out to model the items for you like on eden if the gms don't want to do it. Have on the bp merchant a item model key and give it to the npc and use the link he shows and pick your skin out.

Abydos wrote:Just because people don't RVR how you want them to doesnt mean they don't do it. We frequently reach more than 1/2 of total server population in RVR zones. Maybe a bit of hunting is in order.

Which zones do you call RvR zones, since that ve to be a lot more than Hib Mid Alb Frontier Zones. I play quiet frequently and never ever ever saw such a population in RvR on Uthgard.
There must be like 10-20 Taskgrps around there at a time, i doubt that.

pweet wrote:

Abydos wrote:Just because people don't RVR how you want them to doesnt mean they don't do it. We frequently reach more than 1/2 of total server population in RVR zones. Maybe a bit of hunting is in order.

Which zones do you call RvR zones, since that ve to be a lot more than Hib Mid Alb Frontier Zones. I play quiet frequently and never ever ever saw such a population in RvR on Uthgard.
There must be like 10-20 Taskgrps around there at a time, i doubt that.

last time when those numbers were discussed, the df-population were count into this number

People sitting afk in the border keeps != RvR population
People levelng in DF or Marfach or any of the frontier zones != RvR population
People in the battle grounds != RvR population

In an intervall of 10mins over a 3h window during EU primetime (19:00->22:00), count all players lvl 49+ in Emain, Breifine, Hadrians, Pennine, Odins and Jamtland. I am very sure that you will see that there indeed is a problem.

to sum it up:

- most ppl here agree, that "giving it a try" shouldn't do any harm -> thus: try it:
-> reskins for BPs, possibly with some thresholds like a certain RR and/or number of keeps raided...or maybe reskins only work if the realm owns certain relics (3 relics for epic, 4 relics for toa)...that would give relic-raids a whole new purpose

however, specifics can be discussed as soon as it's decided, that it will be tried...otherwise it's useless to discuss anyway

would be nice if the staff could actually comment on the "why not try it?" thingie...we don't like talking to ourselves about ideas, that are neglected from the start anyway...

'Why not try it'

We currently lack proper item degrade, so any items we introduce will be on Uthgard for a long time
It will take significant staff time to implement, detracting from other identified priorities
The proposals don't address the core issues of 'casual' players not participating for significant periods of time
It devalues in game, non-custom items (including items yet to be introduced)

I'm sure the list goes on for awhile longer.

Jezzmin wrote:to sum it up:


-> reskins for BPs, possibly with some thresholds like a certain RR and/or number of keeps raided...or maybe reskins only work if the realm owns certain relics (3 relics for epic, 4 relics for toa)...that would give relic-raids a whole new purpose

Personally i think this is a BS idea. The only thing you should earn from RVR is RVR related items. All walks of players deserve a chance at reskins, not just the RVR community.

PVPers are no better than PVEers and deserve no special attention.

It takes both PVP and PVE to make this game function, both playstyles make this server functional, there are many players who dont love PVP, this doesn't make them any less of the community, and any less deserving of special items.

Gagnastiak wrote:

Jezzmin wrote:to sum it up:


-> reskins for BPs, possibly with some thresholds like a certain RR and/or number of keeps raided...or maybe reskins only work if the realm owns certain relics (3 relics for epic, 4 relics for toa)...that would give relic-raids a whole new purpose

Personally i think this is a BS idea. The only thing you should earn from RVR is RVR related items. All walks of players deserve a chance at reskins, not just the RVR community.

PVPers are no better than PVEers and deserve no special attention.

It takes both PVP and PVE to make this game function, both playstyles make this server functional, there are many players who dont love PVP, this doesn't make them any less of the community, and any less deserving of special items.

Sir, the end game content of DAoC is PvP, please do not igneore that fact. Sure, some players like to PvE. Well, then let them collect their 200g an hour and leave the reskins to the players who actually take their level of commitment and skill to the highest degree, which is RvR/PvP. So yes, IMO, RvR should be the method of aquiring either the currency or the points to get reskins.

And, I greatly disagree with the current method of acquring reskins or the ways in which they have been acquired in the past.

Currently, reskins are an elitist status symbol only available to the oldest players or those with insane luck at a christm.as event.

So yes, please GMs, design a fair process for everyone to be able to get a reskin. From what i've seen, those who have them were just at the right place at the right time..

I dont agree with you Arnooagi, i prefer rvr but i dont see why rvr ppl should be moer able to get a reskin instead of ppl that pve ? Everyone play how he want, if ppl want to do only pve when hit level 50, i dont see why they should be penalized getting rare items like reskin.