Many people say AT to 48 so you can get 44 thrust for grp or even 29 slash if you solo.
But what about trying to get 50 composite stealth asap for a duo trio minstrel who wishes to play only with stealther ?
If we can go to 4L2 through bg's and get +14 skilled, and if i wish only to duo with an inf buddy would it be that bad to go 50 instru 36 stealth 23 weapon ? 26 weapon full AT.
i know i would be seen from other stealthers but with composite 50 stealth It will be easier to attacking solo duo trio visibles with my stealther friend and i would not gimp the ambush.
Plz try to answer my question regarding duo trio with infiltrators. Do not start "u ll gimp yourself in 8vs8", i ll dont care about 8vs8 REALLY.

Thx

Well yeah you can make a Ministrel to group with other stealthers. You won't (or shouldn't really need to) use your weapon much anyway so spec your instruments and stealth as needed and drop the rest into weapon is think.

So composite 50 stealth for a stealther duo/trio approche is ok ? How far visibles would see me ? Guess i ll go slash even i ll miss amethyst

I'm not sure on how far out people can see you, but your main damage is going to be from instruments anyway and your main job is probably just keeping the fight under control, setting up enemies for your infiltrator buddy to hit, being an escape vehicle if need be, ect. I can't really imagine swinging a weapon much at anything really myself so I doubt it will matter what your weapon level is.

in any case, on this patch a lot of stealthers will have "see hidden" RA, so if you are 50 Stealth, you still almost visible for stealther.

Read carefully. I talked about visibles.
I m not dumb enough to think i ll stay un seen by detect hidden ability, even worst, under see hidden realm ability.
My question is simple.
Minstrel with 50 composite stealth, will he or not gimping an ambush on a visible if duoing with an inf.

In this setup, i know i ll play the goat vs assassins, so my friend will finish them off.

50 comp specc is all u need - u will be as invisible as ur friend regarding non dtealthers

Autarch wrote:Read carefully. I talked about visibles.
I m not dumb enough to think i ll stay un seen by detect hidden ability, even worst, under see hidden realm ability.
My question is simple.
Minstrel with 50 composite stealth, will he or not gimping an ambush on a visible if duoing with an inf.

In this setup, i know i ll play the goat vs assassins, so my friend will finish them off.

You don't even need to go 50 composite stealth to ambush a visi. You should not be in the direct path of whatever you are ambushing. In a stealth setup the minstrel should hang to the side and assist when necessary (ablative, dds, cc, etc.). You are the support class when duoing with an inf or scout. Weapon skill is going to be abysmal so I can see why it seems like an easy cut but you're going to want 29 Slash at the very least. Trust me.

Most of the times, if you try to stay out of the direct vision you will not be seen even with 49 stealth.
In direct vision and closer than 150yrd there is a chance you will be seen.
With 50 stealth the chances to be seen are the same as all other stealth classes with 50 stealth.
Most important thing is Instruments 50 so you can have maximum utility with DD dmg, Ablative and Stun resist.
If you get into melee your low Weapon Skill will be a problem and any capable player of know what to do will make you his first priority.

All in all, Minstrel is a great asset for stealth groups and can be a lot of fun, go for it without doubt.
The only concern I have is about the possibility of getting to RR 4 in BGs, since we don't have any clue if people will play there or mainly rush for level 50 RvR.

onizukasensei wrote:The only concern I have is about the possibility of getting to RR 4 in BGs

You can't get this RR in BGs at patch 1.65

Ilerget wrote:

onizukasensei wrote:The only concern I have is about the possibility of getting to RR 4 in BGs

You can't get this RR in BGs at patch 1.65

yeah, something was not fitting right about this. I didn't spent too much time in the BGs back in the pre ToA days (started to fooling around after ToA).

For slash minstrel who will never solo but only duo/trio in pvp like i said : can this type of minstrel be a FIRST char on uth ?
No AT is planned.

Is minstrel is WANTED in dragon raids, princes raids, any kind of raids ?

Can you rate 1-10 the minstrel chance to be welcomed in different raids ?

Autarch wrote:Read carefully. I talked about visibles.
I m not dumb enough to think i ll stay un seen by detect hidden ability, even worst, under see hidden realm ability.
My question is simple.
Minstrel with 50 composite stealth, will he or not gimping an ambush on a visible if duoing with an inf.

In this setup, i know i ll play the goat vs assassins, so my friend will finish them off.

Got the point. I can give you my experience on uth 1.0 (should be the same now).

A 3spec Minst, full AutoTrained (lvl 48), can do something like :
-50 instruments
-33 stealth
-30 weapon

that mean, on lvl 50 Rank 1L1 = 33 (stealth) + 11 => 44 stealth
44 stealth give you a good chance to hidden if you away from enemy, BUT ... if they see you, you hidden, and enemy start to search you, they have also a good change to pop out you, cuz 44 not enought on short range, and also the speed when you stealth mode is really crap.

@ Rank 5 = 33 + 15 = 48
This is a good point, decent speed on stealth, and also you can escape if the enemy are close to you

@Rank 7 = 33 + 18 = 50 stealth
Good, Just see hidden ...

Same Calculation for NOT autotrained minst is something like
31 + 19 = 50 ... but a rank 9 (good luck )

I prefer staying 50 instru, composite stealth to 50 from the start and 21 weapon. I want use if i dont solo.
My two infiltrators buddies will do the job.

Autarch wrote:I prefer staying 50 instru, composite stealth to 50 from the start and 21 weapon. I want use if i dont solo.
My two infiltrators buddies will do the job.

I personally don't like stealth minstrel on shadow group, cuz in case of 3vs3, if the others is not really crap, you will loose everyTime. You may have a chance shadow vs shadow, but that mean the others will organize and come back in grp, maybe more... and you know the end of the story.

But yes, if you don't care about the weapon, 50, composite 50 it's fine.