Looking to make a Warrior in the Beta, but can't decide on specs.

50 Sword for Ragnarok is a given, but I can't decide on 42 or 49 Shield.

With 42 Shield, I can get 34 or 39 Hammer, which increases my Weapon Skill when using Conquer (behind-Snare), which might be valuable with the new mechanics.

With 49 Shield, I can get the bare minium of 29 Hammer, which is enough for Conquer, but will result in less Weapon Skill. I also get 4.5% more block chance and probably higher Weapon Skill when using Slam.

Suggestions/ideas?

Depends on what kind of playstyle you're aiming for.

Group RvR. Support (peeling/guarding) over DPS.

If you level up using an Axe as your weapon you can enjoy the 50 Sword 50 Shield 33 Hammer Specc.

1-40 Specc into Axe + Shield
40 /respec Axe
40-48 Use your auto trained Sword Taunt Style and don't put any points in the Hammer or Sword Line
48-50 Specc into Sword + Hammer + Shield

Raifs wrote:If you level up using an Axe as your weapon you can enjoy the 50 Sword 50 Shield 33 Hammer Specc.

1-40 Specc into Axe + Shield
40 /respec Axe
40-48 Use your auto trained Sword Taunt Style and don't put any points in the Hammer or Sword Line
48-50 Specc into Sword + Hammer + Shield

According to the following post you can't autotrain 2 weapon lines by speccing the third line you won't use later on:

Nezix wrote:You have to auto train Axe, Hammer and Sword to auto train any. You can't just spec into one and autotrain the other two.

https://forums.freddyshouse.com/threads/class-auto-train-list.195769/

All the weaponlines are autotrained. So if you put points into one weapon line while levelling up all the way to 48, for example, when you respec all three weaponlines are reset to 12. So effectively, you don't gain any autotraining points at all unless you don't put any points into any weapon line while levelling.

But I don't know if this will work the same way on uthgard.

you can't go wrong with a warrior spec. 50 weapon, 42 shield, and plenty of parry.

If you spend one single point into axe/sword/hammer you do not autotrain all weapons anymore. It was implemented like this on Uth 1.0. If you really want to use the full autotrain you have 2 options. First one, level to 48 with shield only or second one, buying a lot of respec stones.

I know that splitspec was quite popular on Uth 1.0, however due to the fixed defense penetration on Uth 2.0 your low weaponskill in the second weapon will lead to increased miss/parry/evade/block.

I would go 50 weapon, 50 shield, rest parry. 50 shield because I love brutalizer (longest stun) and for the weaponskill, because nothing is more annoying than your slam getting evaded 3 times in a row....

Cheers

Split spec should still be viable in some cases. Like if you go 50 Sword, and 29 Hammer (for Conquer), it should be fine against all classes except those with Advanced Evade, since you can't block, parry or evade (save for Advanced Evade) against attacks from behind. In those cases weaponskill shouldn't matter as much.

What are the advantages/disadvantages of not auto training on a warrior. Are you losing some viable specs or weapon styles? or is it you can get 33 hammer instead of 32 etc..

By autotraining you gain 77 points. Without autotraining you would get 2979 points. Whether that is worth gimping yourself for 48 levels is up to you.

But to put it in a spec:
Instead of 50 sword 50 shield and 28 parry.
You get 50 sword 50 shield and 31 parry.

If you manage up to lvl 12 without speccing. You would get 29 parry. And be a lot better all the way up. Thats probably what I will do. The next point where this would matter in this spec is 36 points, aka 8 lvls = level 36.

you could just skill any weapon u dont want to use later till 40, and respec on your favorite weapon, this would give you 50weapon 50shield and 30parry instead of 28without AT at all ( with AT to 48 it would be 31 parry )

Puz wrote:By autotraining you gain 77 points. Without autotraining you would get 2979 points. Whether that is worth gimping yourself for 48 levels is up to you.

But to put it in a spec:
Instead of 50 sword 50 shield and 28 parry.
You get 50 sword 50 shield and 31 parry.

If you manage up to lvl 12 without speccing. You would get 29 parry. And be a lot better all the way up. Thats probably what I will do. The next point where this would matter in this spec is 36 points, aka 8 lvls = level 36.

To put this into perspective, I Googled Uthgard parry chance formulas. This is what I found. Not sure if accurate for Uthgard 2.0 but it's a start.

Base = 5%
Skill Bonus = 0.5 * (parry spec + realm rank bonus + template bonus)%
Dex Bonus = 1 / 40 * ((dex * 2) - 100)%

Total = Base + Skill Bonus + Dex Bonus

Ignoring realm rank bonus, template, and dex (which would cancel out in math being all the same)

28 parry (no AT) would give 19% where 31 parry (full AT) would give 20.5%. 48 miserable levels for 1.5%. Is it worth it? Up to you.

you could just skill any weapon u dont want to use later till 40, and respec on your favorite weapon, this would give you 50weapon 50shield and 30parry instead of 28without AT at all ( with AT to 48 it would be 31 parry )

It's been stated by Devs that if you train in any weapon line, you lose AT in all weapon lines. E.g. you can't train in any. Shield/throwing weapons only.

Seems like there is still a lot of confusion about AT, the following guide should still be accurate as nothing has changed from Uthgard 1.0:

viewtopic.php?f=65&t=13665

Rythian wrote: Shield/throwing weapons only.

and parry

ok, now im confused, cause u say warrior cant AT if he specs any weapon, right now i did spec sword from lvl 2-11 and got AT on Axe and Hammer, also thats how i remember AT... or im wrong and its a bug