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Postby fremster » Dec 08, 2016 21:48

Does anyone know the impact of choosing kobold rather than norse/dorf/troll on Uthgard 2?

Does the improved dex really result in any more blocking than choosing Norse? Does it improve chance to land slam?
Is the loss in strength going to gimp damage too much?

Alternatively, does selecting troll make your defense weak due to lack of dex?

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Postby Nezix » Dec 08, 2016 22:08

If you want a really precise answer use the beta to insta-50 both a Troll and Kobold Warrior and have 1 friend attack you (single weapon) and 1 friend heal you - and log at least 500 swings.

Then keep in mind their defense penetration; so you realize if you use a Healer to attack you you're overall % of blocking will be artifically higher than the "reality" of what most will be taking swings at you.

Short answer: Kobold will block slightly more, but Troll will do significantly more damage. Norse is in between.

Does more Dex increase your chance to land slam? Tricky question if you google around. It might affect the chance to hit/miss but not get through parry/block/evade, maybe it's the other way, maybe it's both, or neither. Maybe it depends on your main hand weapon skill? Lots of contradicting info - which might not even be applied to Uthgard. I'd suggest you test it against another shield tank while you have almost a month to go and come back with your conclusions. :)
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Postby Azoazial » Dec 09, 2016 08:39

fremster wrote:Does anyone know the impact of choosing kobold rather than norse/dorf/troll on Uthgard 2?

Does the improved dex really result in any more blocking than choosing Norse? Does it improve chance to land slam?
Is the loss in strength going to gimp damage too much?

Alternatively, does selecting troll make your defense weak due to lack of dex?


Hi Fremster,

I would say that there's only 1 race for a warrior. And it's a Troll. The defence % is about 2% better on a kobold, than on a Troll, but the Trolls +50 str on the kobold, makes him hit harder, and much more often. Ofcourse if you're going for a PvE warrior GO KOBOLD! I can "understand" why some would choose Norse for a warrior, as i might confuse enemy's in RvR, and take you for a healer, but no.... I don't understand why anyone would miss out on 30/50 ekstra str on a warrior, which is the class with the HIGHEST WS in the game..

Just my thoughts :)

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Postby fremster » Dec 11, 2016 19:54

I think you're correct with the troll..... it's just they are sooo big :D

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Postby barto22 » Dec 11, 2016 20:31

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Postby barto22 » Dec 11, 2016 20:32

fremster wrote:I think you're correct with the troll..... it's just they are sooo big :D


Zoom out never seems to zoom far enough... :lol:
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Postby Murax » Dec 15, 2016 11:24

Weaponskill should also affect the chance to penetrate an opponents passive defenses (parry, evade, block)

At least thats how it should work.
This would be another major bonus for Troll, as WS(in this case) is purely Strenght based
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Postby Zubasa2016 » Dec 15, 2016 11:29

Murax wrote:Weaponskill should also affect the chance to penetrate an opponents passive defenses (parry, evade, block)

At least thats how it should work.
This would be another major bonus for Troll, as WS(in this case) is purely Strenght based


your dwarf-zerker was sexier though :oops:

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Postby Murax » Dec 15, 2016 11:41

Big dwarfen balls, thats what he got .-)
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Postby zitT » Dec 16, 2016 19:30

what attributes would you go for on the differnet races?

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Postby pweet » Dec 16, 2016 19:33

Dex has a minor effect on blocking chance. You pick Kobi to confuse your opponent, but stats wise it does not make a lot of sense. You will hit more slams due to better defense penetration, dmg doesnt count with a shield anyway. But you will lack defense penetration with your Hammer and you will hit for less dmg.
So if you are not after looks, Troll is the best race. 15str 10quick is what i would do.

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Postby Lailen » Dec 22, 2016 18:03

pweet wrote:Dex has a minor effect on blocking chance. You pick Kobi to confuse your opponent, but stats wise it does not make a lot of sense. You will hit more slams due to better defense penetration, dmg doesnt count with a shield anyway. But you will lack defense penetration with your Hammer and you will hit for less dmg.
So if you are not after looks, Troll is the best race. 15str 10quick is what i would do.



But what about blocking for OTHERS - there is no BG so block-guarding somebody is the only way to protect him somehow!
This should be far more dex dependant isnt it?

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Postby pweet » Dec 22, 2016 18:57

Its the same formula imo. Good peels is how you defend your casters, not with guarding. And if you guard, the block chance is almost the same since dex doesnt effect it much.

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Postby Azoazial » Dec 23, 2016 16:09

pweet wrote:Dex has a minor effect on blocking chance. You pick Kobi to confuse your opponent, but stats wise it does not make a lot of sense. You will hit more slams due to better defense penetration, dmg doesnt count with a shield anyway. But you will lack defense penetration with your Hammer and you will hit for less dmg.
So if you are not after looks, Troll is the best race. 15str 10quick is what i would do.


This guy gets it +1

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Postby zitT » Jan 03, 2017 18:37

hey thanks for your answer, can you elaborate on why quick > dex in your opnion, friends were telling me that quick only slithly increases the swingspeed and dex increases multiple things like 1%block, 1%parry and 1%shield dmg. are numbers wrong or is the swingspeed for the dps just better? i am kinda clueless :)

thx in advance

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