Pet Resists?
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There are multiple sources quoted in the issue that bring to the same exact formula. They probably are all wrong, right?
Also: aren't we basing every issue on internet sources anyway, since we almost never have official ways to back it up?! What are we supposed to do, get in touch with people who programmed the game 15 years ago and ask them to release the code???? |
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No, primary source are live tests. If there was no obvious change to it, thats completely legit. It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience.
Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later. "It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure." Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard" Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand" [Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????" BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..." |
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The formula is: Charm Level = (Mentalist Level X .66) + ((Light Spec + Spec Modifier) X .33) This formula has been around for 15 years. Simply dropping that formula into google pops up dozens of responses from sites as far back as 2002, Including the Gaheris web page. I am unable to post the Gaheris web page url as a new user, but it is about 4th down the list on page one of web searches for the posted formula. I myself have reliably used this formula for the six level 50 mentalists I have built over the years. This formula does NOT work on Uth 2.0 Simple as that. |
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Charmlevel is not a resist rate. That doesn't help much.
It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience.
Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later. "It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure." Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard" Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand" [Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????" BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..." |
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Well, obviously. Charm level is the level of the target of the spell which can be successfully controlled. As far as the rate of resist? NO CLUE. I am not a Mythic developer. All I can tell you is that the rate of resist on Uth 2.0, if you were to use the time-tested formula, is 90% or worse. Which is so far from live-like it's almost comical. Last edited by DaytonChambers on Feb 15, 2017 05:47, edited 1 time in total.
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The formula is for what level of mob you can reliably charm and hold. Resist rate has a direct correlation to charm level for mentalist. Reliable charm is where you have a low enough resist rate that you can hold a pet and not have a such a high resist rate that you only hold the mob a short period of time. I have light 6 points above my level and charming a mob my level the resist rate is so high I can only hold it maybe 1/2 the time, the other 1/2 I am running away from it.
I don't have live, but I am sure someone does and it would be easy to run tests. Just find the resist rates for different level mobs and composite light. Get a decent sample size ~100 charms only takes 1000 seconds. |
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Mentalist charms have special handling in our code for resist rates and I can't tell you why and on what sources that is based on. Looks like a full retest is required.
It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience.
Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later. "It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure." Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard" Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand" [Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????" BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..." |
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That formula doesn't make sense. It is a stochastic problem.
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Lemme break it down. That formula again is: Charm Level = (Mentalist Level X .66) + ((Light Spec + Spec Modifier) X .33) So, using the above formula and rounding down on all values to be conservative, and plugging in a RR1 mentalist, level 50, specced 45 in light, with +11 to light from gear: (50 x .66 = 33) + ((45+11=56) x.33 = 18.48, or 18) so... 33 + 18 = 51 The formula says that a level 50 RR1 Ment with 45+11 light spec should be able to reliably hold a level 51 pet. Any light ment running right now will tell you that holding an oj pet is iffy at best, and can not be reliably controlled. The problem is worse if you aren't full light spec. if you were to run light as a secondary spec line and charm a gray pet for possible mez breaks (a common tactic on live) the success percentage gets even worse. Currently my mentalist is level 43 and only has 4 in light. Using the above formula: (43 x .66 = 28.38, rounded down to 28) + ((4+3 from gear = 7) x .33 = 2.31, rounded down to 2) 28 + 2 = 30 Even with that crappy sub spec I should be able to hold a gray level 30. I cant. I cant hold a level 20, 100% resist rate. I cant hold a level TEN, also 100% resist rate. I want to help in a meaningful way without just crying in the forum, and I really wish I had more data to offer. However I no longer play live, and everything I've posted has been plastered to death online for well over a decade so this really shouldn't be new information. I tried multiple specs during beta, and these issues were mentioned then by myself and a number of others. I just don't know what else to do, but as-is the class is unreliable as a pet user. And that's a damn shame.  |
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Live offers trial accounts for two weeks. On Pendragon you can quickly get your char setup for tests. Would love to see more data on this.
It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience.
Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later. "It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure." Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard" Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand" [Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????" BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..." |
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If you are interested in joining the research, please contact me via PM. We are currently doing live tests with the Minstrel class since the Mentalist got his pulsing charm spell removed  News || Getting Started || Rules || Issue Tracker
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I'll take a look at this and post my results in the tracker issue. I've had my eye on it for a while, hoping for it to be address. Thanks for letting us know that you need more data before making a change. I'm a 50 light ment, 48+12 light (went higher in light specifically for a boost to charming). In theory (if that formula is correct) I should be able to charm level 53 mobs. I have trouble holding a 51, and 52 Ellyl sages are uncontrollable. I used to have a higher RR light ment on live with only 45 into light (I can't remember the exact stats) who could charm sages and seers. Anecdotal evidence I can't back up, but I'll take a look later. |
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Please contact Genjiro as he does research in that area. It's done when it's done. Thanks for your patience.
Every bug gets fixed. Sooner or later. "It is an inescapable law of nature that the amount of satisfaction one gains from achieving something is related to how hard it is and easy things can only elicit a fleeting superficial sort of pleasure." Blue says, "you used macro tools or macro keyboard" Pala says, "i am disabled. and i have a mechanic left hand that can be programed. its hard to play woith one hand" [Appeal] Bxxxxxxxx: "why is RA first aid cann man i stealth use and not unstealth cann man ra if man use unstealth ?????????" BannedUser: "i was not using automate game action my hand was fall on keyboard during i was sleep .... i was completly fall on keyboard ..." |
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Unfortunately, I can't level to 50 on Pendragon on a trail account unless I have a level 50 on live. There may be another way but there is no documentation or any NPCs or mob I can kill which will do that for me. I'll do what I can on Uth by removing +spell items and contact Genjiro with my findings, though this won't help much in determining whether the behaviour on Uth is 'live-like' or '1.65-like'. |
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That's not true! I just rolled an animist on a new pendragon account and found the NPC right inside TNN. Check the capital areas! |
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