pweet wrote:Why do you even ask if your mind is already set? Face it as a firbolg u ll wait at ligen trying to get grps. If you want to GRP rvr the only choise is Celt.easy as that.

I wasn't asking what race to pick, actually. I asked what starting stats to pick.

Having said that, I may just pick a Celt. It's my least favorite race out of Hibernia though, I'm very partial to Firbolgs because I like their look. But by listening to what I've been told (Yes I AM listening), I might change so that I can be more effective in groups.

20 dex means according to formulars 4% slower castspeed. Is this really huge?

Would mean difference without mota with dex fullbuffed celt vs firby (300 vs 280 approx)
Percent calculated celt 0,615 friby 0,655

3.2 heal in 1,968 sec vs 2,096 sec
2,8 heal in 1,722 sec vs 1,834 sec

At least on paper this doesn't look that much. And on genesis testserver difference saracen avalonian (20 dex) didn't seem so much as well. Am i too old to notice? Formulars wrong? Can anyone explain?


digged out these formulars

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=21508

is a quater of a second a lot?

Casts / minute drops a lot with 0.250 seconds lost / cast.

(yes, even GMs read these subforums )

Well, the Warden is foremost a healer, this means that you're going to spending a lot of your time healing in RvR.
You'll see a lot more benefit from having higher dexterity than strength on a Warden, dexterity being the stat that determines how quickly you can cast spells.

That said, pick what you'll be most happy with.

after years as most gimped warden, my advice is to get:
18dex 1emp (on celt for primary grp)
18str 1dex (on bolg for solo)

the good at the celt is here that if u play this solo you are a defense monster with your extra dex + mob + moparry + pbt.

btw dex is a musthave for warden on old RA´s if we consider that warden CAN´T skill mota and is bound to its dex in castspeed.

Thanks so much for the advice guys! I think I'll go with a Celt then

Edgtho, that's a lot of wasted starting points going with 18 dex and 1 emp... are you sure it wouldn't be better to go with maybe 15 dex and maybe con / emp?

I might eventually switch to a solo spec at times, to test it out, so I think that the EMP would be wasted then. So maybe 15 DEX / 10 CON is the better choice? Because CON helps in both groups AND solo.

I might be wrong about it, but I think warden is on the hybrid hp table, means 1 con = 3,5 hitpoints or so, 10 con would be about 35 hitpoints it ain ´t that much.

Strenght is not important for warden, your weaponskill will always be low, so a high weapon specc only makes sense for solo,most warden focus on nurture and regrowth. But when you plan on solo you might consider Firbolg with at least 15 or 18 strenght because more strenght = more weaponskill= better to hit enemies and you still look bad against shield specced users :-/.

I would not go 18 strenght and better spend 15 points dex for defence and 10 points to strenght, but that doesn ´t matter so much, dex is most important for you you can take 10 con and 15 dex and being ok. If I remember right con is also important for pve damage you receive,- higher con = less damage by mobs but I ´m not sure about it, I read it somewehere in the old days and can ´t say if it ´s 1.65 like.

I have reached my decision, thanks to everybody's advice. I will roll a Celt Warden with 10 STR / 15 DEX. I will spec 33 Regrowth, 49 Nurture, 14 Parry, 25 Blades.

I've decided on STR as my second stat because of several reasons:

1. Celts STR value is only 60 to start with.
2. Scale is heavy, and I'll be carrying items too.
3. I'll be doing SOME attacking during RvR.
4. Possibility to switch to solo spec later, where the STR will be useful with Blunt weapons.
5. Will help when I PvE.
6. EMP is a primary stat that raises when leveling, so I should be good enough there (maybe?)

backman66 wrote:Not being taken in groups because I lack 20 DEX? Please, I really hope that people won't be that shallow this time around. I don't plan to group RvR ALL of the time, I might consider switching to a solo spec at some point, and I'll be playing some PvE raiding and stuff too. I want that 30 str bonus so I can at least hit decently, I know I am on a bad weaponskill table but the STR should help a little right?

Well you will find groups, but if they see a 2nd warden, that is celt and Nature/Nurture spec, you always will be the 2nd pick.

EDIT: After re-reading, I think you didn't see my latest post. Read my latest post and re-evaluate what you said about me being second pick.

true, somehow it didnt get displayed when i browsed on my phone

well congrats. wise choice.

Thank you for the help. I feel like I am making the wise choice now after listening to the advice here.

Starting stats usually don't matter because you can edit them at any time on these freeshard servers.

Hibernianman1 wrote:Starting stats usually don't matter because you can edit them at any time on these freeshard servers.

That is not the case on Uthgard.

Gnome wrote:

Hibernianman1 wrote:Starting stats usually don't matter because you can edit them at any time on these freeshard servers.

That is not the case on Uthgard.

Hmm, what about start-stat repecc stones, will they be available again? Just ciurious .

@ Backman66
Sounds solid, it ´s a common warden specc/setup.
You might notice that your weapon damage don ´t increase that much and stay low, that ´s normal, your main weapondamage comes from the damage add.