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twohand bonus and parry

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Heli Gryphon Knight Posts: 394 Joined: Dec 07, 2005 01:00	Reply with quote by Heli » Mar 04, 2010 23:38 Omg... and i was wondering why i didn't even parry stealthers with 44+14 parry + moparry 2 with my solo Armsman

nixian Forum Moderator Posts: 5450 Joined: May 19, 2006 00:00	Reply with quote by nixian » Mar 04, 2010 23:56 QQ .. zerkers / mercs are gonna get even harder now then xD they already parry too much

Force Phoenix Knight Posts: 1569 Joined: Oct 22, 2009 00:00	Reply with quote by Force » Mar 04, 2010 23:57 I always wondered why it felt like 45% parry on the savage didnt do anything against stealthers. Now I guess I know why.

bawww Eagle Knight Posts: 584 Joined: Feb 06, 2010 01:00 Location: Rocky road to Dublin	Reply with quote by bawww » Mar 05, 2010 04:40 Problem with parry though is that it counts dual wielders as two attackes yet according to mythic, parry isn't suppose to suffer a penelty to dual wielders...so in effect parry gets a 50% penelty to 2h and dual wield...so only real effect you have is on shield users and vampiirs.. http://daoc.catacombs.com/forum.cfm?Thr ... 0&forum=12

Drakons20 Gryphon Knight Posts: 219 Joined: Jun 17, 2009 00:00	Reply with quote by Drakons20 » Mar 05, 2010 09:34 Satz wrote:1st. Doubling parry? BULLSHIT! When your enemy wields a 2h weapon, your parry gets halved. When your enemy is wielding 2 weapons, your block and evade get halved. 2nd. PA has a fixed formula for damage, that depends on the cs-spec + 1 base swing. So you only get the variation between a slower and/or a quicker weapon(in case you do not change your cs spec). Hey ratard! I said for yourself, read before you reply.

silenced Phoenix Knight Posts: 1074 Joined: Sep 28, 2006 00:00	Reply with quote by silenced » Mar 05, 2010 10:07 Blue wrote:Yes livetests needed. Don't think dual wielders count as 2 attackers in general. They only mention evade rate and block rate. Cannot test this on live, since the behaviour has changed completely in 1.87.

Heli Gryphon Knight Posts: 394 Joined: Dec 07, 2005 01:00	Reply with quote by Heli » Mar 05, 2010 11:10 Drakons20 wrote:Hey ratard! I said for yourself, read before you reply. It's written rEtard you retard! OK back to topic: You can still test it because 2 attackers still halve parry. I don't really think counting dual wielders as 2 attackers makes sense but who knows. Still there shouldn't be anything lowering the parry against dual wielders in the parry formula.

Force Phoenix Knight Posts: 1569 Joined: Oct 22, 2009 00:00	Reply with quote by Force » Mar 05, 2010 11:43 ya, parry should not be lowered by DW, and a DWer is not 2 attackers, its 1 attacker DWing. Otherwise my savage is 4 attackers. Also, this would impact small shields right? If a DWer was 2 attackers small shields should be worthless against them.

Satz Alerion Knight Posts: 1860 Joined: Jun 21, 2005 00:00 Location: Albion	Reply with quote by Satz » Mar 05, 2010 12:59 Drakons20 wrote: Satz wrote:1st. Doubling parry? BULLSHIT! When your enemy wields a 2h weapon, your parry gets halved. When your enemy is wielding 2 weapons, your block and evade get halved. 2nd. PA has a fixed formula for damage, that depends on the cs-spec + 1 base swing. So you only get the variation between a slower and/or a quicker weapon(in case you do not change your cs spec). Hey ratard! I said for yourself, read before you reply. Ill help you out with another quote, since youre much too lazy to read past first page. Satz wrote:No defskill has a bonus when facing any enemy(beside lower level). Aswell as evade and parry cap at 50%. Most classes that can spec parry actually do reach 50% quite easy... Ill logic... If parry would have a bonus when facing dual wielders, why shouldnt block or evade have a bonus when facing 2h, then? No patchnote states anything about removing that bonus, so go check live now, if you encounter some kind of valid bonus, it should get implemented then.

Ronian Phoenix Knight Posts: 1556 Joined: Jan 12, 2008 01:00	Reply with quote by Ronian » Mar 05, 2010 13:39 I am not sure if parry has a cap. Do you have any references to that?

Amadeth Eagle Knight Posts: 731 Joined: Apr 18, 2009 00:00 Location: Zagreb, Croatia	Reply with quote by Amadeth » Mar 05, 2010 13:39 Woah this is a big one. Dual wield should NOT halve parry, this is a serious nerf to all tank classes vs. stealthers. Dual wield halves: evade, block Two-handed halves: parry This is how it worked back when I played. Toblerone wrote:In fact, evade has the same bonus vs 2h that parry has vs dual wielders. 2h in itself also had a small bonus increase to parry chance. This is old research, I remember it from before SI. Unfortunately I doubt we could find any data on it ^^ I doubt there ever was any data to confirm this. There were never any bonuses involved. Just penalties. <strong>FIX TEH PROFILE PAGE SO I CAN CHANGE MY SIG PLZ</strong>

Runis Eagle Knight Posts: 791 Joined: Feb 17, 2007 01:00 YIM	Reply with quote by Runis » Mar 05, 2010 14:41 This wont change much because parry classes cap parry already with spec+dex. And giving bonus to 2h doesnt help them pass 50% anyway.

Nymeros Phoenix Knight Posts: 1426 Joined: Apr 12, 2009 00:00	Reply with quote by Nymeros » Mar 05, 2010 14:51 Hybrids will still benefit from this fix a lot.

Murax Eagle Knight Posts: 800 Joined: Mar 13, 2006 01:00	Reply with quote by Murax » Mar 05, 2010 15:04 Force wrote: Also, this would impact small shields right? If a DWer was 2 attackers small shields should be worthless against them. That would explain why I guard so much better with the large shield, even against only one attacker \|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\| Midgard players don´t just simply play Daoc - we play Daoc to riun the game for Alb and Hib RvR is what happens while you are here complaining

Amadeth Eagle Knight Posts: 731 Joined: Apr 18, 2009 00:00 Location: Zagreb, Croatia	Reply with quote by Amadeth » Mar 05, 2010 15:09 Runis wrote:This wont change much because parry classes cap parry already with spec+dex. And giving bonus to 2h doesnt help them pass 50% anyway. this is not so simple. you may cap your base parry %, but it is heavily affected by WS, or, to be more specific, by enemy STR and weapon skill level <strong>FIX TEH PROFILE PAGE SO I CAN CHANGE MY SIG PLZ</strong>