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Postby Blue » Mar 05, 2010 17:26

Let me get this straight. You talk about Parry BONUS? In my understanding facing a 2H enemy will HALVE the parry chances so its a PENALTY of -50% to its current uncapped value. Facing dual wielders will let parry chances unchanged.
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Postby Neju » Mar 05, 2010 17:27

facing a 2h opponent should halve your parry chance.
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Postby Nymeros » Mar 05, 2010 17:33

Blue wrote:Let me get this straight. You talk about Parry BONUS? In my understanding facing a 2H enemy will HALVE the parry chances so its a PENALTY of -50% to its current uncapped value. Facing dual wielders will let parry chances unchanged.


This is correct.

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Postby Heli » Mar 05, 2010 17:33

Blue wrote:Let me get this straight. You talk about Parry BONUS? In my understanding facing a 2H enemy will HALVE the parry chances so its a PENALTY of -50% to its current uncapped value. Facing dual wielders will let parry chances unchanged.


That's like it should be. No bonus but also not 50% less against dual wielders.
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Postby Amadeth » Mar 05, 2010 18:37

Nymeros wrote:
Blue wrote:Let me get this straight. You talk about Parry BONUS? In my understanding facing a 2H enemy will HALVE the parry chances so its a PENALTY of -50% to its current uncapped value. Facing dual wielders will let parry chances unchanged.


This is correct.

exactly
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Postby Healowner » Mar 05, 2010 18:44

Amadeth wrote:
Nymeros wrote:
Blue wrote:Let me get this straight. You talk about Parry BONUS? In my understanding facing a 2H enemy will HALVE the parry chances so its a PENALTY of -50% to its current uncapped value. Facing dual wielders will let parry chances unchanged.


This is correct.

exactly


What they said.

http://www.camelotherald.com/news/news_ ... toryid=453

Edit: I also motion to move this to the Bug section. :)
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Postby Braxis » Mar 06, 2010 13:19

nixian wrote:
Parry % = (5% + 0.5% * Parry) / # of Attackers



# of attackers = 2 when facing dual wield so yes it is halfed

Following this logic, wielding a med/large shield would compensate when facing a dual wielder as far as chance to block is concerned?

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Postby Satz » Mar 06, 2010 13:21

no, only number of attackers, and since 2 weaps dont increase the number of attackers, a medium/large shield doesnt count as a counter.

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Postby nixian » Mar 06, 2010 15:33

went to live and did some tests:


1 weapon:


892 attacks (766 not counting miss)
201 parry
116 miss

201 / 766 * 100 = 26,2% parry chance


dual wielding:
933 attacks (824 not counting miss)
162 parry
109 miss

162 / 824 * 100 = 19,6% parry chance


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50 warden
50 dex
40 qui

25 parry
50 regrowth


50 NS
65 str
140 dex
103 qui

0 points used to spec



so I think you should reroll the change and do some more tests to ensure that this change is correct.. because so far tests don't back up that dual wield has same parry chance as 1h hits in the tests there is about a 7% difference.. this might be due to luck/no luck but more hits has to be done to ensure this..

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Postby Braxis » Mar 06, 2010 15:42

Dual wield was never ment to cut parry in half.

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Postby Amadeth » Mar 06, 2010 15:44

yeah and you also had LESS misses with MORE attacks on dual wield. it was probably just luck factor and doesn't prove anything.

there is enough proof of dual wield not halving parry and this should remain fixed. it would also be a big balancing issue favoring DW above everything else (which is already true, sadly)
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Postby nixian » Mar 06, 2010 16:35

Amadeth wrote:yeah and you also had LESS misses with MORE attacks on dual wield. it was probably just luck factor and doesn't prove anything.

there is enough proof of dual wield not halving parry and this should remain fixed. it would also be a big balancing issue favoring DW above everything else (which is already true, sadly)


please link to this proof

grab bags never explain mechanics 100% and is often missing things - so just because a grabbag doesn't state something about a specific behaviour doesn't mean that it is not there..

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Postby Braxis » Mar 06, 2010 16:42

Well its kinda you that have to prove that dw halves parry, since it doesn't say anywhere it should.

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Postby nixian » Mar 06, 2010 16:45

Braxis wrote:Well its kinda you that have to prove that dw halves parry, since it doesn't say anywhere it should.


I just did a test that shows that there is a difference in parry % if you wield a 2nd weapon compared to 1 weapon.. im not asking for half parry % when dual wield but there seems to be a difference - so this has to be investigated before we make 1 weapon = 2 weapons

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Postby Braxis » Mar 06, 2010 16:50

nixian wrote:I just did a test that shows that there is a difference in parry % if you wield a 2nd weapon compared to 1 weapon.. im not asking for half parry % when dual wield but there seems to be a difference - so this has to be investigated before we make 1 weapon = 2 weapons

The difference is too small, and could of been contributed to lots of factors.
If there really is a difference more tests are required to prove it.
Untill then things should stay as they were ment to be.

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