Braxis wrote:

nixian wrote:I just did a test that shows that there is a difference in parry % if you wield a 2nd weapon compared to 1 weapon.. im not asking for half parry % when dual wield but there seems to be a difference - so this has to be investigated before we make 1 weapon = 2 weapons

The difference is too small, and could of been contributed to lots of factors.
If there really is a difference more tests are required to prove it.
Untill then things should stay as they were ment to be.

I think we should let blue decide if the difference is too little..

Did you test 2H also? Since that type of weapon is supposed to halve parry chance.

The test target was the same both in 1h and DW attacks?

The NS and the warden have the same weapon skill? (Why haven't you used the NS for the 1h test without wielding the second weapon btw? ^^)

Current situation = bugged.

First thing to do = make DW _not_ halve Parry.

After that: Someone proves if it works differently.

Healowner wrote:Did you test 2H also? Since that type of weapon is supposed to halve parry chance.

The test target was the same both in 1h and DW attacks?

The NS and the warden have the same weapon skill? (Why haven't you used the NS for the 1h test without wielding the second weapon btw? ^^)

target: warden
attacker: NS

in both tests

as you suggested all I did was to add the 2nd weapon for test number 2..

so WS, WS of attacker, stats, etc.. where the same in all tests.. only thing that changed was that the NS had dual wield in one test and just 1 weapon in the other test

Force wrote:ya, parry should not be lowered by DW, and a DWer is not 2 attackers, its 1 attacker DWing.

Otherwise my savage is 4 attackers.


Also, this would impact small shields right? If a DWer was 2 attackers small shields should be worthless against them.

Savage even don't count as a normal dualwielder and should not half anything

Braxis wrote:

nixian wrote:I just did a test that shows that there is a difference in parry % if you wield a 2nd weapon compared to 1 weapon.. im not asking for half parry % when dual wield but there seems to be a difference - so this has to be investigated before we make 1 weapon = 2 weapons

The difference is too small, and could of been contributed to lots of factors.
If there really is a difference more tests are required to prove it.
Untill then things should stay as they were ment to be.

Someone has to pay you a bill about 1000$ - he pays u just 950 $ you tell him, there're 50 $ missing ...

And he says:"Men, thats just 5% missing who cares about..."
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You also wouldn't like this, i'm right?

So far...

Nixian could you make a test with higher parry rate instead 25%? Would make it more clear whether we have a 20% reduction of parry chances or 5% absolute reduction. Also please tell the bonuses of the used weapons.

Blue wrote:Nixian could you make a test with higher parry rate instead 25%? Would make it more clear whether we have a 20% reduction of parry chances or 5% absolute reduction. Also please tell the bonuses of the used weapons.

I will increase the parry skill and try again..

all gear used is merchant gear both with 0% bonus if I remember - will give more info when tests are done

I tested damages of 1handed and 2handed weapons on my berserker
i m norseman, unbuffed, stats caped, axe 50 +14

tested with taunt from axe styles on dummy

1handed 4.0 99% qual
averaging 150damages (left hand do 60)

2handed 5.3 100% qual
averaging 220damages

I tested hunter stuffed, 50+14spear, caped dex + str, +78D/Q buff, +20 dex and str shot potion.
spear 4.7 100%
averaging with taunt on dummy : 180damages

So, just at seeing it, do is normal that any DW class, Battle master, Nightshade, Berserker, Shadowblade, mercenary and infiltrator could do aproxymatively same damage in a row (each 2 - 3 sec) as a 2handed guy ?(3-5 sec a row aproxymatively)
(sure DW speed is modifyed by using faster weapon lefty but not subject)

So, lot of class have damage pb, Hunter Thanes, Skald...Hero, Champ...armsman... (yes i m lazy to enumerate all classes able to use 2handed ^^)

I know the problem is complex, but i just want to point that is a problem, just by looking at my zerk, or any DW damages from any ennemy in RvR.
Only use logic, that isn't normal... make some test and see (test from all realm)

PS : I already see all reply from some DWer players ^^

You should keep in mind that a DW er will outdmg in time any 2h er.

but here DW outdmg's 2h with 1 swing.. so doing more dps overtime and in 1hit

On uthgard DWer will outdamage 2h with every swing, not just in time.

Toblerone wrote:On uthgard DWer will outdamage 2h with every swing, not just in time.

Based on what r u saying this? zerkers for example got better style growth higher str, ofc they deal more dmg. You cant compare the dmg of a troll zerker with the 2h dmg of a celt hero.

1000 hits are not enough to see if DW halves parry or not, more r needed like 4 sets of 1000 hits..check all 4 results and make an average of those 4, we are talking about % chances here, and even so, Nixian said that VS DW the pary chances were abit lower then VS 1h , the parry VS dw issue that has been implemented the last days is a bit hasted in my opinion.

Grab bags tell many things, yet best answers come from tests, those will tell you all u need to know.

pre 1.80 it should be:

Dual wield halves block and evade.

Twohand halves parry.

After 1.87:

all penalties are gone

Razzer wrote:pre 1.80 it should be:

Dual wield halves block and evade.

Twohand halves parry.

After 1.87:

all penalties are gone

You have proof to backup your sayings?