Attributes and Debuff

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AsNied
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Postby AsNied » Feb 06, 2008 19:30

Where i can find something about minimal value of my attributes?

I asking because i don't believe that Mythic do that game that simple.

I played Caster Class (most of the time). Casters has initial strength 40-50 pts. Every debuff str (poison, spell) make you encumbered. Do casters need bost their strength attribute because of that? That make no sense. I must drop value stat like Dex, Int, Resist for Strength ...

I try to search about minimal values and find nothing. Looking at Guides and no body rise strength, no body even saying about anty-str-debuff strategy.

Every classes that can use / cast str debuff makes Caster encumbered, easy kills.

Thx for future Help ;)

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Postby AsNied » Feb 06, 2008 20:30

Razzer i don't telling that is bug.Maybe is maybe not.

I asking about minimal value of Str. Can str drop below starting value?

Now i have 72 str (via some items), and 18/72 encumbered. The strongest Str Debuff in Envenom Skill is -44 STR. I have been debuffed for 70 str.

You tell bug. So every who use debuff break Uthgard rules ?

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Postby Nayru » Feb 06, 2008 23:10

It is a known bug and it will be fixed soon.

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Postby Demiurgo » Feb 07, 2008 22:43

I guess it should be right so. Casters usually have only cloth armor weight and staff weight, so they can stay with 45-50 str with a max encumbrance of around 75. Usually you don't care about it in rvr because casters have str/con buffs and even if you debuff them with both debuffs (44+60 more or less) you can't block a caster momevent (you need to shear it too to make it encumbered). None uses this strategy because even if you can block a caster it can always casts and he can be fastly rebuffed and your debuffs uses lots of power. Anyway you could try to use this strategy at your risk but you need a very good group and a red str/con debuff caster.

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Postby AsNied » Feb 07, 2008 23:02

Now it's fixed.

And everyone who could use Str Debuff used this ^^ (Me too). You say is poor strategy ? I'm Void Eld, just debuff caster, NS him and laught spaming Bolts and DD's. Im killed many times with this strategy too. Assasins were pain in the ass if used that bug, you do nothing, just stay and watching how they killing you.

But this is over now. Thx for fix.

PS. Casters don't get Str buff, better save concetration for melee classes.

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Postby Zippity » Feb 08, 2008 01:15

There is still an issue with snare poisons keeping players in combat for the duration of the snare.

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Postby Demiurgo » Feb 08, 2008 02:02

I meant str/con buff the buff spec one.
I think it's not a bug btw, encumbrance works so or there shouldn't be a reason to put a ra that increase encumbrance (even if it's anyway useless :D)

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Postby Zippity » Feb 08, 2008 05:59

The RA "Lifter" was intended (from what I understand) to be used to carry additional supplies (seige components and what not).

As I was mentioning before in regard to the changed issue here on uthgard where pets now lose target's on stealthed players; mythic clearly stated there that at that time (up until 1.89) that it was intended that pets attack players even after they stealth. The issue with str/encumberance is another point where they have expressed themselves fairly clearly on through the grab bag and patch notes. For example:

http://www.camelotherald.com/more/888.shtml

"Strength (and strength only) debuffs and disease spells should no longer reduce a player's encumbrance below their unbuffed maximum. Debuffers were using the fact that you could reduce an enemy to 0 movement speed as an effective one minute total snare with no counter, which was not the intention of strength debuff spells."


I think there should be little doubt on issues that are worded in such a manner as to what mythic intended at the time of the posting.


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