Lewk wrote:

Hesperus wrote:Not ruining my experience or affecting me in any way, really.

However, the eliteist dickhead mentality that people who add or "jam" groups who are fighting each other are bad players is affecting the server as a whole. ANY kind of rvr should be encouraged, however, it's not and the minority are scaring off the majority due to the flack they receive for you know... enjoying the game. Typically, 8 man groups are cancer, especially the kind that come to the forms to jerk each other off.

While i do agree that often times the "elite" and "dickhead" go hand in hand, i would argue that the phenomenon that is DAoC 8 man is one of the best aspects of the game, and is the greatest contributor to the game's long term success.

There is nothing inherently exciting about the taking/defending/zerging of keeps that you can't find in any other of the thousands of MMOs out there. 8v8 however is such an interesting form of gameplay that most other MMOs have failed to, and will continue to fail to, replicate due to the overall group size in other MMos being much smaller and the gap between a 4-5 man sized group and a full on zerg is often void.

The "elite dickheads" enjoying 8v8 are at the point that they aren't just looking for realm points, they are looking for the interesting and unique gameplay that comes from 8v8 fights in this game. If DAoC was simple another instanced group vs group, or FFA zerg vs zerg like virtually every other MMO out there, i wouldn't play it at all.

So while you are more than entitled to your "red is dead" mentality, and i personally try to understand that perspective being a 8v8 player myself, you should consider it from the other side as well. The greatest amount of fun had by these 8v8 players is getting to match their group against another group and even if the game wasn't "designed" for that , we will continually strive to achieve that situation as often as possible because that is the scenario that is the most challenging/fun for us.

Lewk wrote:

Hesperus wrote:Not ruining my experience or affecting me in any way, really.

However, the eliteist dickhead mentality that people who add or "jam" groups who are fighting each other are bad players is affecting the server as a whole. ANY kind of rvr should be encouraged, however, it's not and the minority are scaring off the majority due to the flack they receive for you know... enjoying the game. Typically, 8 man groups are cancer, especially the kind that come to the forms to jerk each other off.

While i do agree that often times the "elite" and "dickhead" go hand in hand, i would argue that the phenomenon that is DAoC 8 man is one of the best aspects of the game, and is the greatest contributor to the game's long term success.

There is nothing inherently exciting about the taking/defending/zerging of keeps that you can't find in any other of the thousands of MMOs out there. 8v8 however is such an interesting form of gameplay that most other MMOs have failed to, and will continue to fail to, replicate due to the overall group size in other MMos being much smaller and the gap between a 4-5 man sized group and a full on zerg is often void.

The "elite dickheads" enjoying 8v8 are at the point that they aren't just looking for realm points, they are looking for the interesting and unique gameplay that comes from 8v8 fights in this game. If DAoC was simple another instanced group vs group, or FFA zerg vs zerg like virtually every other MMO out there, i wouldn't play it at all.

So while you are more than entitled to your "red is dead" mentality, and i personally try to understand that perspective being a 8v8 player myself, you should consider it from the other side as well. The greatest amount of fun had by these 8v8 players is getting to match their group against another group and even if the game wasn't "designed" for that , we will continually strive to achieve that situation as often as possible because that is the scenario that is the most challenging/fun for us.

Freudinio wrote:If the set groups respect eachother, then that's great, but make no mistake, they have no respect for the rest of the playerbase. Every single established group out there will kill smallmans and soloers, hell some of them even go out of their way to kill exp'ers and I personally believe that's where the perceived "dickhead" mentality is derived from.

Borondir wrote:When they say that they seek competition - then its a lie. They don't ignored solo people or small groups or even low rvr groups - it gives rp, they kill it. Even grey people got killed by these groups. I don't see any competition there and no skill is needed for it.

It was a hard time to do the quests in the rvr zone and getting ganked all day. But now we have the man power to strike back with 2+ groups and make them pay for the past. Have fun because we will have fun with you.

Lewk wrote:The sad truth is you have to kill the small mans, as they will ALWAYS add on fights with a much higher degree of chance than other 8 mans.

I am lucky enough to be in the position of being group lead and with little exception we will always pass on other 8v8 fights already going on, 1v1s until they are done, and small mans that we know.

This is just for me and the groups i lead because of the type of play i enjoy. Other people do it different, and that is completely fine.

The reason i pass on other 8v8 fights is because for me that is the most enjoyable aspect of the game and i really appreciate when other groups pass when we are in an 8v8.

The reason i kill soloers/small mans is because they are almost always going to run from us until they find another friendly group and then add in. I have have yet to see this not be the case with the exception of Jeff and two friends last night, and one other time when a mid 3 man stopped and watched the fight, then proceeded to snipe our theurgist and then run off.