Hey guys,

I am sure some of you have noticed how little the action has been in RvR lately, especially during US times. Now.. I worked hard to get 2 lvl 50s so I would not have to level another character. Every night when I get on I usually find a roaming group of some kind... but there has been little to no action in emain as well as hib and mid (I am a US player). Does it kind of anger anyone else that a level 47 bard can get more RPS in a night than a level 50 one at this point? It took me a long time to get 3L7 at 50 and now I feel like Uthgard is basically giving it to people in Cale.. Does anyone else feel this way? I hope Uthgard does something to bring the RvR population back to how it was somehow.. I hope everyone is well!!!

-Turt

Relics are killing rvr not BG.
When mid lost relics, mid stopped rvr and went farming, now it's alb turn.

All you are seeing is the fact that people want to play more than just 1 toon in RvR. The horrid exp grind prevents many from having RvR options, so BGs are the next best thing.

I know a bunch of people who only have 1 RvR ready toon and they are bored out of their minds.

Baby toons are an option for those who want to play more classes and lvl at the same time.

You can thank the Devs(and a few odd players) and their unwavering stance on archaic exp rates.

for sure bg is a way to have fun differently, but in late european time rvr is still quite good, indeed with more people on bg i can find easly group with my shammy

The bgs are nice because all the action is confined to a relatively small area. Also if you can't find people to do 50 rvr you can at least get a couple friends and stand a chance in the bg. My first bg toons are almost ready looking forward to playing them outside of the 2-3 hours there's still 8v8 fights.

Around the time you last logged off the server, there was 29.19% of the total server population in OF RVR zones only, not including any BG action, or DF. This was more than 129 players in OF RVR zones. For reference, Mythic once commented that they "only" ever saw 20-25% of total server population in RVR "for some reason". The server population was slightly less than the server "Nimue" during the 2003 time frame for 10PM eastern.

The BG crowd is a different group of people than those in 50 RVR. To say BGs are affecting 50 RVR is a misrepresentation based on data. We have seen nearly no difference between the total counts in OF RVR zones and the BGs.

Caledonia is robust a good part of the day, this bodes well for the future of the frontier, more players with better understanding hopefully of their individual roles in rvr at new50, I feel rvr long term will strengthen..Be patient..oh, and learn how to fight bonedancers, b/c a great bonedancer army is coming.

Glenad wrote:Caledonia is robust a good part of the day, this bodes well for the future of the frontier, more players with better understanding hopefully of their individual roles in rvr at new50, I feel rvr long term will strengthen..Be patient..oh, and learn how to fight bonedancers, b/c a great bonedancer army is coming.

That's because 75% of Mids in BGs play BDs due to how lame they are. Just spam an insta LT and run in circles. Awesome.

Also untrue. 0 bonedancers in Caledonia, plenty of Mids. Don't spread fake news.

Abydos wrote:The BG crowd is a different group of people than those in 50 RVR.

Claiming that these players would not play end RvR regardless is a mistake. They would be happy to do so, given the proper setting. This setting is reasonable competence with casual effort. BGs provide that, but there is no reason why OF would not be able to do so. Unfortunately however, this has never been properly implemented on Uthgard.

Instead, by upping the BGs to 47 and not concerning yourself with the state of end RvR itself, the staff has made the decision to split casuals and dedicated players in two. Just like we had on Uth 1. As a result, both groups will become tired of the same old lifeless grind. Casual players will become tired of working themselves up the BG ladder only to end up with a lvl 47 character they can't enjoy anymore and dedicated players will become tired of the stale and declining RvR environment. Fresh blood in OF will become increasingly rare.

WE HAVE BEEN THERE BEFORE.

Look, the changes to the BGs were probably neither good nor bad for end RvR for this simple reason: end RvR has been in a very sloppy state ever since the server launched. Hell it's pretty much been like this since Uth1. People want end RvR to be a vibrant and active place where every playstyle can be equally enjoyed. As long as that isn't the case, people will keep leaving and it will become harder and harder to change the tide.

As a reminder, your suggestions to improve are welcome in the suggestion thread: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=44123

of course they do kill 50 rvr. everyone who claims otherwise is either a BG carebear or is simply not doing 50 rvr at all. theres nothing wrong with people not wanting to do 50 rvr for whatever reason they may have. but dont claim its a healthy addition to rvr since its simply not true, anyone doing proper rvr knows that.

Abydos wrote:Also untrue. 0 bonedancers in Caledonia, plenty of Mids. Don't spread fake news.

Do you even play this game or just look at "stats"? Spend a few minutes in Aber, Thid, Murda and tell me there are no BDs.

Casual bg/alt-aholic carebear here.

Can confirm I don't/no longer play 50 rvr. If it weren't for BGs I wouldn't log in at all - I don't effect you in the slightest.

Not sure how that means I'm killing 50 rvr.

Abydos wrote:Around the time you last logged off the server, there was 29.19% of the total server population in OF RVR zones only, not including any BG action, or DF. This was more than 129 players in OF RVR zones. For reference, Mythic once commented that they "only" ever saw 20-25% of total server population in RVR "for some reason". The server population was slightly less than the server "Nimue" during the 2003 time frame for 10PM eastern.

The BG crowd is a different group of people than those in 50 RVR. To say BGs are affecting 50 RVR is a misrepresentation based on data. We have seen nearly no difference between the total counts in OF RVR zones and the BGs.

I am not exactly sure where or how you are getting your info.. But I would say at least 50% of the so called 29.19% of the population in OF is exping for BG's. I am a relevantly active RvR player during US timezone... The last 4 nights my group has just decided to either call it a night because of little to no action or just BG / level a new character... My point is I want to RVR in OF with my 50's... I don't want to be forced to make another character randomly because i cannot find any action.

For instance i talked to a 46 bard yesterday who said they earned 30K RPS in that single night... Thats just absurd. I don't remember the last time thats happened on my 50. Come on Uthgard!!!