After years in the lab, hours and hours of thinking, I came up with the perfect counter against melee damage as caster:

DON'T GET CAUGHT.

Evinac wrote:But mids are at a severe disadvantage at this patch level you guys!

Every realm has its tools.

No realm has a serious advantage as long as you play to your own realms strenght.


H H H sham
bers warrior bd rm

H H H sham
bers svg bd rm

H H sham
BD BD BD RM warrior

H H H sham
bers warrior skald rm

H H H sham
bers svg warrior skald

All viable, but with varying tactical advantage on other hib/alb compositions.

Hibs can run

D D B B
BM BM BM Eld

D D B B
BM BM eld ench

D D B
BM BM Hero Eld ench

D D B Ward
Bm hero Eld Ench

D D B Ward
BM BM BM/hero eld

Albs got

C C sorc mind
Minst Arm Cab Cab sorc body

C C sorc mind
Minst Arm cab theug theug

C C sorc mind
Minst Arm cab cab theug

C C sorc mind
Merc Merc Arm cab theug

C C sorc mind
Arms Merc cab theug theug

All realms can optimize groups and either go full dps or more rupts/defence.

Dunno... being able to 1-shot people seems like a pretty significant advantage, especially when the other 2 realms can't really come close to that.

We just need a ss where that style gets the doube-hit bug so there can be 2.5k+ dmg that a healer can't even insta fast enough.

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Evinac wrote:Dunno... being able to 1-shot people seems like a pretty significant advantage, especially when the other 2 realms can't really come close to that.

We just need a ss where that style gets the doube-hit bug so there can be 2.5k+ dmg that a healer can't even insta fast enough.

1676 is a one shot against all casters and even some support. I think my minstrel has 1700 fully buffed.

aylictal wrote:

Evinac wrote:Dunno... being able to 1-shot people seems like a pretty significant advantage, especially when the other 2 realms can't really come close to that.

We just need a ss where that style gets the doube-hit bug so there can be 2.5k+ dmg that a healer can't even insta fast enough.

1676 is a one shot against all casters and even some support. I think my minstrel has 1700 fully buffed.

Yeah, but that's ok because:

oLd-Sneakers wrote:All realms can optimize groups and either go full dps or more rupts/defence.

Now, would you like to compare an apple to an orange?

Kinda crazy, but if Mids weren't good for rushing then what would they be good for?

It's probably worth remembering that a berserker in vendo is not exactly invulnerable. Quite the opposite actually.

A level 50 templated (and pots/charges active) nightshade in the guild got one shotted by Flump the other night.

Crazy.

Evinac wrote:
Now, would you like to compare an apple to an orange?

1-2x sos 2x bof


1-2x AM
1-2x baod


Tundra is needed as deterrent against alb grps with un ccable minstrels with oj/red pets. Called asymetric balance. Extended minstrels and arms risc serious injury now if they over stay their welcome.

Defending 1-shotting ppl in an mmo...

You probably thought LA didn't need to be nerfed in 1.62 either.

Evinac wrote:Defending 1-shotting ppl in an mmo...

You probably thought LA didn't need to be nerfed in 1.62 either.

He was in actuality 2 shotted by a 10 min RA. VP with a good crit can on the other hand truly 1 shot. Alb ability btw. Wanna qq a little about that as well?

oLd-Sneakers wrote:

Evinac wrote:Defending 1-shotting ppl in an mmo...

You probably thought LA didn't need to be nerfed in 1.62 either.

He was in actuality 2 shotted by a 10 min RA. VP with a good crit can on the other hand truly 1 shot. Alb ability btw. Wanna qq a little about that as well?

To be fair, it is highly unlikely for an Alb group to run a wizard, whereas zerkers are found in almost every Mid group.

I agree, though, this damage is not a big deal. All it means is that Albs/Hibs need to be vigilant about shutting down zerkers that vendo at the beginning of a fight. I imagine it can win a fight for Mids real quick if they pick good targets and stack a couple of these and the enemy isn't being vigilant enough about it, but that's no different than SoS resetting a fight or BoF or group purge or BAoD, all of which will be found in basically every Alb and Hib group respectively.

Ah yes, the accusation of QQ - the true and tried method for mid forum trolls to fall back on once they run out of any remotely feasible excuses for their easy mode realm.

Kinda strange how the bezerker TL mentions it as a useless ra at patchlevel 1.66.

http://www.warcry.com/news/view/12388-D ... eport-1-66

The berserker RA, Tundra, costs 10 points with a 10 minute timer it provides no utility or group usefulness

I'd call 1 shotting people every 10min pretty usefull.

Evinac wrote:Ah yes, the accusation of QQ - the true and tried method for mid forum trolls to fall back on once they run out of any remotely feasible excuses for their easy mode realm.

Huh? The only argument you've made against this RA is that it hits hard so it's not fair. That's pretty much the definition of crying about it, especially since the counter-arguments have mostly been that the other realms also have abilities that are also very powerful. You said this was not a valid argument because those abilities aren't identical, so an ability that has a very similar use was then presented to you, and now you're ignoring that because you think the whole counter-argument is just accusing you of crying and nothing more. You are being accused of crying, probably because that's all you've really done here, but you've also been given valid counter-arguments.

It doesn't really matter, though. What are you expecting to come of this? You think the devs are gonna take tundra out of the game? While I don't think it's necessary to stick dogmatically to 1.65, it would still be pretty absurd to just completely toss out an RA from that patch level because it hits too hard and Evinac can't figure out a way to not get hit.