Or make a compromise and let relics loose power over time. 1% per day or something. This would maybe reduce the amount of defenders over time (since relics are powerless at a point) an make it easier for other realms to get them (for a few days).

hibernia has no keeps atm. we (mids) tried a relic raid twice in the last 12 hours. we failed, but we had fun and hibs have couple of plats less. albs just had to inc a relic keep while we were on the other, but i've seen no albs more southern than emain. you have the chance, is not fault of devs or game mechainc if you don't take it. as someone said spam in ally, crate a bg, make necros and infis play something usefull and you'll have the chance to bring your relics back home

Toshh wrote:hibernia has no keeps atm. we (mids) tried a relic raid twice in the last 12 hours. we failed, but we had fun and hibs have couple of plats less. albs just had to inc a relic keep while we were on the other, but i've seen no albs more southern than emain. you have the chance, is not fault of devs or game mechainc if you don't take it. as someone said spam in ally, crate a bg, make necros and infis play something usefull and you'll have the chance to bring your relics back home

Would be awsome to see a relic inc on eu prime time, but most relic incs will be, when most of the 8 mans go to sleep.

I saw atleast 3 PT Relicraids, with 150+ people on each side,- Blue Sunday RR even more.
Maybe we play different servers?

Not within the last days, my friend. Maybe some weeks or months ago, but not last weeks. And yeah, seems we play on different servers.

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Raunz wrote:At what point will devs understand that relics are unbalanced, it makes rvr bad for everyone.

At what point don't you understand that this is the end game of DAOC.

Yeah, this is a silly topic. Of course they unbalance things. That's the whole point of them.


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Relics meh not so bad. Problem 4 my time is we scrape the only 8 mids online, get lucky enuff 2 win an 8v8 vs hib casters, then they run 16-40 stuck the rest of the night, and my group quits. Every night... consistently. I kinda feel bad 4 the hibs 2 have 2 do that... but u need 2 understand why you are all fighting over the 1 mid group is due 2 ur rvr habits

Call us elitists or whatever, but ya, we wanna 8v8

Romps wrote:Relics meh not so bad. Problem 4 my time is we scrape the only 8 mids online, get lucky enuff 2 win an 8v8 vs hib casters, then they run 16-40 stuck the rest of the night, and my group quits. Every night... consistently. I kinda feel bad 4 the hibs 2 have 2 do that... but u need 2 understand why you are all fighting over the 1 mid group is due 2 ur rvr habits

Call us elitists or whatever, but ya, we wanna 8v8

This doesn't happens only to you. Same, if (insert famous Tundra Zerker here) is getting farmed by 8 mans...... then he's coming back with 16 slot or more. Seems it's part of the game. Hope you guys get some other 8mans at your prime time. Just switch the zone an raid a keep for getting some action there. Keep deff is also funny for a fg.

The point is: DAoC is unfair!
Player will always fight against higher or lower realm ranks, with better or worse equip who played more or less together, have a better or worse communication, with a bigger or smaller group, use a better or worse position and play on a real with dis- or advantages.

If u want fair fights u should play a moba or a arena game.

Raunz wrote:At what point will devs understand that relics are unbalanced, it makes rvr bad for everyone.

Why dont you just reroll in a realm which got relics? Is it because you already got chars on all three?

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Estat wrote:

Raunz wrote:At what point will devs understand that relics are unbalanced, it makes rvr bad for everyone.

Why dont you just reroll in a realm which got relics? Is it because you already got chars on all three?

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Runental wrote:

Zintair wrote:Disable them IMO. We don't need Relic end game we need enjoyable RvR for solo/smallman/8man/zergs.

Relics are an integral part of Daoc.
If they aren't enjoyable, why player form large zergs to get em?
It's enjoyable to get em.
It's enjoyable to defeat em.
It's enjoyable kill reinforcements as a solo or small man/fg while a RR is going on and ofc it's enjoyable if you have them.
Sure, it's not that enjoyable if you get nuked/hit with 10%+ dmg, but sooner or later the situation will change.
So where is the problem?
In 10 years daoc I heard many strange suggestions, but this is the worst one.

/Runen

10 years of daoc where you always play the zerg realm and traditionally have relics, wonder why its such a bad idea to you...

Falken wrote:

Runental wrote:

Zintair wrote:Disable them IMO. We don't need Relic end game we need enjoyable RvR for solo/smallman/8man/zergs.

Relics are an integral part of Daoc.
If they aren't enjoyable, why player form large zergs to get em?
It's enjoyable to get em.
It's enjoyable to defeat em.
It's enjoyable kill reinforcements as a solo or small man/fg while a RR is going on and ofc it's enjoyable if you have them.
Sure, it's not that enjoyable if you get nuked/hit with 10%+ dmg, but sooner or later the situation will change.
So where is the problem?
In 10 years daoc I heard many strange suggestions, but this is the worst one.

/Runen

10 years of daoc where you always play the zerg realm and traditionally have relics, wonder why its such a bad idea to you...

It's amusing because 90% of the people who posted in this thread have barely taken 1 or 2 relics (sadly for alb whats it 1-2 total?). I think a more enjoyable system would be that you would get an 1% bonus for every keep you own outside your own.

Less than relics and much more time consuming and tedious to do.

I just thought of that in 10 seconds lmao not saying that's the end all solution.

Obviously a bonus to leveling would be great. Or even if it was a 1% more Rp per kill type of thing who knows. But 10% damage per relic is IMBA when everyone knows what to do. Its a population time game and that is going to lose people trying tio enjoy themselves. Lets keep people here playing instead of worrying if your ****** can get outshined by 20% relics (Thinking of a certain id healer here.)