It's nice of you to help us Albs to retake our keeps, but isn't what you've been doing until 30min ago against the rules?

Since 75 minutes ago, in the time span of about 30 minutes, 4 keeps in the Alb frontier have been taken by the forces of Albion, including 2 keeps (Berk and Surs) in just 3 minutes, BUT: Albion didn't have anyone in the frontier zones, not even anons (/who all and /who displayed the same numbers and nobody was in Forest Sauvage or Pennine Mountains).

So I wanted to see who was taking our keeps and what did I see?

I arrived at Boldiam just in time to witness a purple Man at Arms (a border keep guard of Albion, iirc) running around Boldiam and occasionally hitting Maglan https://daoc.scheffel.it/char/Maglan.
A few moments later Caer Boldiam was taken by "The Forces of Albion", but I am absolutely certain that I was the only Alb nearby at the time, with at least the outer door of Boldiam being closed.
And as a reminder: There were not enough Albs online in that zone, not even anon, to take that keep.

So what I believe: Maglan pulled border keep guards from either Snowdonia Keep or Forest Sauvage Keep through the Alb frontier, pulled it close enough to the Hibernian (!) Keep Lord and waited until the very strong guard killed a keep lord of HIS OWN REALM.

Why he did that?
There are many possible reasons:
1. Hibs didn't have any more Alb keeps to take and maybe don't want to take Mid keeps, so by (ab)using this tactic, they have more keeps to take this night.
2. Hibs don't want to give Albs the possibility to reraid our own keeps for RPs
3. He may be an

If it's 1., I am very certain that this violates rule 6 and also kinda 8 of the "Access to the game server and in game behaviour":
Rule 6. "Abuse of bugs, exploits and obvious game errors is forbidden. If you are not sure whether something is a bug or an error then please ask the Uthgard staff for help and clarification. Bugs have to be reported."
Rule 8. "Intentional cooperation of players between different realms is not allowed. This includes arranged duels and realm point farming."

The game designers and also the devs of Uthgard never designed the keep take mechanics in a way that a realm can give up their own keep and give it back to the original owner of said keep, so this is obviously an exploit and if you use it to retake the keep later (actually any time later, as long as the Mids didn't take it in the meantime) for RP gain, you actually farmed RPs.



Oh, it started again..., now Eras was taken...

#3 is correct. Golani does wierd things when he gets bored. As hard as it is for the Alb mind to comprehend, Hibs really could care less about keeptake rps.

It doesn't matter if he likes to do weird things, as soon as those things interfere with Realm vs Realm combat the behaviour has to be within the rules of Uthgard.

Hibs raiding Alb keeps: Perfectly fine, unless the keeptake mechanics are exploited in a way that isn't intended by the designers of the game and this server.
So I think taking Alb keeps with a single animist is exploiting and I don't ****** care if you care about keeptake rps or not - you get RPs for the keep and THAT'S IT!
The crime happend and nobody cares if you were happy when you got 450rps or not - you got ****** 450rps for that keep.

And what happened an hour ago is the same:
Hibs can't just pull Albion guards to a Hib keep so that the guards take the keep for Albion.

That's a weird way of crossrealming and is using game mechanics (border keep guards killing players AND NPCs from other realms) in an inproper way.

There's a realm switch timer to prevent Player A from logging to his Alb A to take a Hib Keep, logging back to Hib A to take it back, logging back to Alb A to ta.... and so on.

Rule 7. "Switching to other realms is strictly limited to prevent cross realming. Bypassing the restrictions in place is forbidden."

Now that you're taking keeps with a single animist AND returning it to the Albs via border keep guard kiting, what's there to stop a single Hib from taking a keep with his animist, flipping it back via his bard and border keep guard, taking it back with his animist and so on...?

By kiting an Albion guard to the keep, he's certainly bypassing the realm switch restriction to crossrealm in a weird way.

You guys already ruined dragon raids for all of us, now you're ruining RvR.

I wonder if anyone of you ever stops and thinks "Am I being a dick right now or is it acceptable behavior?"?

But hey, now you got Drastic, who answers this question with every single move he makes.
I guess he'll fit right in.

PS: My "Breton Warder" minstrel was one of the "trashcans" who killed his group at HMG in Hadrians.

450 rps ? not! If they took the gates down ya but for just killing the lord its would be 150 rps

Shenyen wrote:You guys already ruined dragon raids for all of us, now you're ruining RvR.

This is funny. Dragons were removed because the GM did not want them being killed with less than 26 people, NOT because of an abuse in mechanics.

It's funny how the SI mob in ALB can still be farmed with 1 person and that hasn't been removed. I am not sure the initial intention was that a lvl 60+ mob with 12 purp aggros could be solo'd. Why hasn't that been removed long ago?

I'll answer it for you.
Because that is alb and not hib.

Hey kinthos, didn't you pick the wrong realm if all you're good for in a discussion is being a Troll?

Shenyen wrote:Hey kinthos, didn't you pick the wrong realm if all you're good for in a discussion is being a Troll?

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I can't find a meme for this so you can have some words...

I think you'll find my images are precisely on point and capture the essence of the original poster and the following discussions.

Thank you for your query.

fremster wrote:It's funny how the SI mob in ALB can still be farmed with 1 person and that hasn't been removed. I am not sure the initial intention was that a lvl 60+ mob with 12 purp aggros could be solo'd. Why hasn't that been removed long ago?

I'll answer it for you.
Because that is alb and not hib.

This is also the case for the Hib SI mob, you can easy kite kill him on your ranger - just sayin

Shenyen wrote:Hey kinthos, didn't you pick the wrong realm if all you're good for in a discussion is being a Troll?

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What do you expect from the Guild Master of the Guild where all the people of all recent exploits are from? He is most likely involved in everything.

Thanks for the investigation, everything is reported to the Uthgard Staff and we will see if they react.

only way albs can top the weekly rp charts is if im playing on alb OR the albs somehow get hibs banned...pick ur poison

Romu wrote:

Shenyen wrote:Hey kinthos, didn't you pick the wrong realm if all you're good for in a discussion is being a Troll?

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What do you expect from the Guild Master of the Guild where all the people of all recent exploits are from? He is most likely involved in everything.

Thanks for the investigation, everything is reported to the Uthgard Staff and we will see if they react.

Spare us the dramatics Romu.

Just because you don't like an animist taking keeps doesn't make it an exploit. The shrooms are placed using 100% legit ground targets in 100% legit locations. Can be easily targeted, killed, mezzed, etc. The animist is also extremely vulnerable while doing this. Just because Albs go on a Holy Crusade of outrage, shouting Exploit! Exploit! from the rooftops doesn't make it so. If some of these forum warriors would put half as much effort into RvR, and you know, go defend their keeps, they wouldn't be taken.

Frem has already explained the dragon situation. Don't be upset at hibs for working with what they have ( And NOT exploiting by the way), be angry that for some reason the staff decided to "fix" the hib dragon being killed by fewer players than intended by removing dragons from all realms.

I know you are just really upset that your days of logging in an Alb BG of 30+ twice a week and steamrolling any and all opposition on your way to easy PvE realmpoints are over. Sorry, not sorry.

You guys should be nicer to each other. You’re literally the only ones who play this game

Cirath wrote:Frem has already explained the dragon situation. Don't be upset at hibs for working with what they have ( And NOT exploiting by the way), be angry that for some reason the staff decided to "fix" the hib dragon being killed by fewer players than intended by removing dragons from all realms.

Dragon Situation is that Abydos told me it was an Exploit. Fremster explained nothing, he said it was no Exploit, but he does not say how he killed it. If it was no Exploit it should be no problem to tell everyone how you killed it.

This is funny. Dragons were removed because the GM did not want them being killed with less than 26 people, NOT because of an abuse in mechanics.

Right there. Hib was told, after the fact, that Dragon was "meant to be killed by 24+ players." That was all the clarification I have seen.
Apparently Hibs Crime is not having enough players.

Get off your high horse. You stood on the throats of Hib and Mid for months with your population imbalance. Noone in Hib or Mid feels bad for Albion.