You know what's fun? Armsman actually got one of the highest possible damage output styles in pole spec, Defenders Rage. But, it cannot be used against any pure caster class, and not against any pure healing class. It can only be used against targets that have styles to use and use them against the armsman.

That's actually balancing done right.

Turt wrote:@Abydos

This thread needs to be closed. Just people talking trash to each other.
Thanks.
-Turt

No - just deal with the instances of that happening - use the "Report" icon for offensive or insulting posts (most of Woosh and valfair posts are usually contenders I'd imagine). There is enough closing down threads and deleting stuff already happening. Don't invite it to happen when certain people derail threads by trash talking.

Yesterday:

GPA finally managed to build pug with some random cleric at 20:45 after 45 mins building.

First 8vs8:
Was vs penumbra, was hard and long fight with many death and open end, flump/liah grp passed and did not add (great!!),but then got zerged by 16 slot mids who read the killspam.
We are HAPPY and motivated, penumbra and flump grp want 8vs8 and dont add, its gonna be a great evening, uthgard is alive, never mind the 16 slot we can deal with getting zerged once in a while.

Second 8vs8:
After cleric got ported to camelot (nice bug btw), we finally fought flump/liah grp who have been waiting for us in front of atk. We died because of our bad pug setup.
We quickly swaped a player and ported again and.... ZONE EMPTY!!!!...
We hear all 4fgm changed zone to HW to fight the hib zerg (???!!)... In discord we get told the reason is they just have 30 minutes playtime left (???!!!).
We would have been happy to have 30 min of 8vs8 which is 3-5 fights and motivating enough to build and log again next days.

But we stop wasting time and getting humiliated and create toons on other server, create a pug, have instantly nice fights for an hour without dodging or adding!


Today (what i heard from our guildmate and friends in Black Ghosts):

Black Ghost manage to build pug at 20:45 after 60 minutes of building.

First 8vs8:
they first are happy to see 2fg running separetly (like us yesterday^^)
They got added by 2nd grp

Second 8vs8:
They got added by 2nd grp

They stop and log.


THAT is the reason for low RvR pop. No tundra, no relics, no bad balancing in any kind. As devs like to say: Its a player issue.

Actually it became to be this bad since mids lost all relics. Then no mid grp wanted to fight our pug 8vs8 anymore. A few weeks ago we were really motivated when even a hib grp from build to last showed up again. we had 8 fights in a row where we lost 6 of them. Still was hell of fun.
Uthgard is missing those players to keep the server alive and lost some more now, the reason is above.

Nerthos wrote:Its a player issue.

100% agree.

The initial reason many left Uth was because of the GMs not listening to the player base.
After a bunch of changes which now makes for decent play, there was an opportunity to make something great. It only takes 1-200 people in rvr zones and you have active frontiers.

As you have probably noticed, our pug is built up of randoms (around 20 people in disc) who want to rvr on alb in more of a controlled enrivonment than the romu zerg. What I don't understand is why noone wants to fight us... we suck 90% of the time... As kaba said, flump group wiped us in 10 sec (allbeit we ran on buffpotions because cleric couldnt buff ).. but Mids still run 2fg on stick, adding every opportunity, seeking the holy rp rather than trying to make the server enjoyable for who is left etc.

The players make the server and the ones remaining (mainly mids) are putting the final nail in the coffin. Now there is probably no alb pugs running other than romu BG, so I guess hf taking empty keeps.

fremster wrote:we ran on buffpotions because cleric couldnt buff

that right there deserves to be in someone's signature

Nerthos wrote:Yesterday:

GPA finally managed to build pug with some random cleric at 20:45 after 45 mins building.

First 8vs8:
Was vs penumbra, was hard and long fight with many death and open end, flump/liah grp passed and did not add (great!!),but then got zerged by 16 slot mids who read the killspam.
We are HAPPY and motivated, penumbra and flump grp want 8vs8 and dont add, its gonna be a great evening, uthgard is alive, never mind the 16 slot we can deal with getting zerged once in a while.

Second 8vs8:
After cleric got ported to camelot (nice bug btw), we finally fought flump/liah grp who have been waiting for us in front of atk. We died because of our bad pug setup.
We quickly swaped a player and ported again and.... ZONE EMPTY!!!!...
We hear all 4fgm changed zone to HW to fight the hib zerg (???!!)... In discord we get told the reason is they just have 30 minutes playtime left (???!!!).
We would have been happy to have 30 min of 8vs8 which is 3-5 fights and motivating enough to build and log again next days.

But we stop wasting time and getting humiliated and create toons on other server, create a pug, have instantly nice fights for an hour without dodging or adding!


Today (what i heard from our guildmate and friends in Black Ghosts):

Black Ghost manage to build pug at 20:45 after 60 minutes of building.

First 8vs8:
they first are happy to see 2fg running separetly (like us yesterday^^)
They got added by 2nd grp

Second 8vs8:
They got added by 2nd grp

They stop and log.


THAT is the reason for low RvR pop. No tundra, no relics, no bad balancing in any kind. As devs like to say: Its a player issue.

Actually it became to be this bad since mids lost all relics. Then no mid grp wanted to fight our pug 8vs8 anymore. A few weeks ago we were really motivated when even a hib grp from build to last showed up again. we had 8 fights in a row where we lost 6 of them. Still was hell of fun.
Uthgard is missing those players to keep the server alive and lost some more now, the reason is above.

It is what it is mate. I agree, people are looking for all sorts of excuses why they don't RvR and after 1 wipe they don't blame their lack of skill or coordination, they give up too easily and blame it on other realm's strength or on RAs. We never had that on uth1, there was whining but not this much and most best groups actually always switched to the underpopulated realm with no relics in order to get action.

Few of us are switching to Albion now for a while, since we expect Uth population to be low until people get bored of Phoenix and their instant arena "daoc". We'll try to run a guild group 3x a week and pug up the rest of the week if we can.

I saw on that long ass tundra discussion that many people were ranting with no coherent arguments and only a few quiet voices were sensible enough to say that you should not be blaming a 10 min re-use style which requires 10 RAs and max crit in vendo for your losses in RvR. We lost many, many solid groups and people who don't whine with the wipe and current population is very spoiled and blames anyone and everyone after one wipe + they refer to population as some mythical entity and don't realize they are the population and should just go out more and play.

Anyhow, we should try to be optimistic and play .

The problem, most player where want play 8vs8 have left the server.

The reason was: it takes nerves and patience to build a decent group. Then you run and find no opponents, only the one invincible group or alltime 8vs16+. Most can't handle this and leave.

You can't force players to 8vs8 if they dont want. Insulting other in forum doesn't help too. My solution: maybe good time bring scout up to lvl 50 ; )

Nakja wrote:The problem, most player where want play 8vs8 have left the server.

The reason was: it takes nerves and patience to build a decent group. Then you run and find no opponents, only the one invincible group or alltime 8vs16+. Most can't handle this and leave.

You can't force players to 8vs8 if they dont want. Insulting other in forum doesn't help too. My solution: maybe good time bring scout up to lvl 50 ; )

Thats basically what i said. You cant force someone to a playstyle and i dont want to get always added or run 16 slot. But you can quit like Many others did. And tell the reason you quit, maybe it leads to more respectful playstyle in some month when you give it another try. Or lvl a scout which is the Same effect as quitting in regard of dying visible rvr Action:)

Good luck to you Valfar on alb.

I do enjoy reading this circle jerk blame game conversation you guys always have in regards to this matter.
So, to review, its the 2 groups on mid fault for anything (by the way, whenever you say 16slot please try and realise thats the german Stormwoelfe zerg, hardly a threat to anyone except a empty keep).

You keep putting under the rug that albs and hibs I encounter most of the time when i log in (EU prime time) are 4, 5 full groups ( 40 albs spam on Benowyc 1 day ago ? LOL ? oh, I forgot, having 4 groups of people behind you when fighting a 8 man is more trouble than good, like Fremster explained earlier on the thread ) of mostly albs (hibs bring the same numbers out very often aswell, see Ellefried or Aerlinn) - but i guess its the german unskilled 16 man slot for the absolute state of decay we see on Uthgard. I do enjoy reading these posts

Nerthos wrote:Yesterday:

GPA finally managed to build pug with some random cleric at 20:45 after 45 mins building.

First 8vs8:
Was vs penumbra, was hard and long fight with many death and open end, flump/liah grp passed and did not add (great!!),but then got zerged by 16 slot mids who read the killspam.
We are HAPPY and motivated, penumbra and flump grp want 8vs8 and dont add, its gonna be a great evening, uthgard is alive, never mind the 16 slot we can deal with getting zerged once in a while.

Second 8vs8:
After cleric got ported to camelot (nice bug btw), we finally fought flump/liah grp who have been waiting for us in front of atk. We died because of our bad pug setup.
We quickly swaped a player and ported again and.... ZONE EMPTY!!!!...
We hear all 4fgm changed zone to HW to fight the hib zerg (???!!)... In discord we get told the reason is they just have 30 minutes playtime left (???!!!).
We would have been happy to have 30 min of 8vs8 which is 3-5 fights and motivating enough to build and log again next days.

But we stop wasting time and getting humiliated and create toons on other server, create a pug, have instantly nice fights for an hour without dodging or adding!


Today (what i heard from our guildmate and friends in Black Ghosts):

Black Ghost manage to build pug at 20:45 after 60 minutes of building.

First 8vs8:
they first are happy to see 2fg running separetly (like us yesterday^^)
They got added by 2nd grp

Second 8vs8:
They got added by 2nd grp

They stop and log.


THAT is the reason for low RvR pop. No tundra, no relics, no bad balancing in any kind. As devs like to say: Its a player issue.

Actually it became to be this bad since mids lost all relics. Then no mid grp wanted to fight our pug 8vs8 anymore. A few weeks ago we were really motivated when even a hib grp from build to last showed up again. we had 8 fights in a row where we lost 6 of them. Still was hell of fun.
Uthgard is missing those players to keep the server alive and lost some more now, the reason is above.

Problem yesterday was, they inced the wrong group. Our group was looking for 8vs8, the other grp had a setup that was not suited for 8vs8 (2 skald, 2 shaman, 1 thane = no damage).
They would not have added our fights, but we did not want to let them die in a senseless fight from the start, so we added their fights. We were all together in our voice. After the first fight we agreed on our grp try the 8vs8 without add, but the albs inced the other grp again.
No complain, how should they know which grp to inc. It just is what it is, bad luck.

Woosh wrote:You keep putting under the rug that albs and hibs I encounter most of the time when i log in (EU prime time) are 4, 5 full groups ( 40 albs spam on Benowyc 1 day ago ? LOL ? oh, I forgot, having 4 groups of people behind you when fighting a 8 man is more trouble than good, like Fremster explained earlier on the thread )

As i also said, 50% of that 40 alb zerg are sub 50, not templated, running groups without clerics, half afk etc. But Gratz again that your rr8-11+ group + few extras killed 37 albs while defending a keep lord (while ram was up to block any los). And yea, i consider them more harm than good, because they often aoe dot, f8 nuke random targets, give mezz immunity etc.

All i would say is come run with the alb zerg for a night and see for yourself. p.s are you my fan boy or something? you keep mentioning my name, or maybe still mad i 2v1 you and ist on my inf? ^^

TA and DG trash lecturing people now, this thread is getting better and better, loving it.

holsten-knight wrote:blablabla... Our group was looking for 8vs8, ...blabla bla

Running with sidecar and add if necessary call you really looking for 8vs8?

Nakja wrote:

holsten-knight wrote:blablabla... Our group was looking for 8vs8, ...blabla bla

Running with sidecar and add if necessary call you really looking for 8vs8?

I tried to explain the situation, but so it comes down to you died in a rvr zone /shrug

holsten-knight wrote:Our group was looking for 8vs8, the other grp had a setup that was not suited for 8vs8 (2 skald, 2 shaman, 1 thane = no damage).
They would not have added our fights, but we did not want to let them die in a senseless fight from the start, so we added their fights. We were all together in our voice. After the first fight we agreed on our grp try the 8vs8 without add, but the albs inced the other grp again.

Its just LOL! So, let me understand you please, your both groups running together and looking for 8vs8?
Poor 2nd group is bad setuped.. whats a pitty! so, each enemy group HAS to know, which group of yours it has to inc in order to have 8vs8. otherwise you incs allways with 2nd group... just funny.

Just showed these virgin wet dreams to my sg from the live server. They cannot stop to laughing about since hours. Please more of such threads!