Nezix wrote:Not ignoring, I understand what you mean. But you should be able to find some post-1.62 patch discussion then - anything from "AM is awesome now" to "so glad they fixed AM before it went live" - I'm looking too

I found one from august 2003 (european server) :
http://forums.jeuxonline.info/showthread.php?t=220326

07/08/2003 wrote:J'ai testé hier la modification de mélodie bénéfique et je dois dire que je suis super content

Nous sommes passé d'une RA bien mais chère à une RA qui est ce dont je rêvais

Avant : elle soignait environ 1000 pdv sur sa durée.
Maintnant : elle soigne environ 2000 pdv (un peu plus) avec un tick de 1.5secs.

Translation (approximative)

08/07/2003 wrote:I tested yesterday the modification of AM et I must say that i'm very happy about it

We went from a good but expensive RA to a RA which is what i dreamt for

Before : it was healing about 1000 HP on its duration
Now: it is healing about 2000 HPs (a little bit more) with 1.5sec tick.

So, it should be a 100 healing tick every 1.5 sec for 30 seconds.

Btw, i'm not sure to understand the first post and what the RA is doing exactly by now on Uthgard.

@ hulk, currently on uth its healing for 74.9 HP/1.5 sec

Vlalkor wrote:

Loriot wrote:so if it is less than 100 the delve was actually wrong?

its not less than 100 its not even 100, its more than 100, 100 is the level 1 of the new AM on new frontiers, old frontiers was much stronger than the level 1 new RA.

but the delve of the old ra always said 100, i just assumed it wasnt correct.

btw you can never tell the exact value from a video if you don't know the char/server conditions like toa stats, relics etc that influence it.

Played bard in beta, am is pretty bad at it's current implementation. If it healed 100 every 1.5 sec then it would be ok, but it doesn't. Pretty underwhelming for a 14 point RA....

Another check on that solobard roaming in emain
Toa with old ra, this is 1.66-1.69 blabla i already mentioned it^^
So we know at some point this bard is healing himself for 297(thx to quality) and i tried to find a second situation where the bard is on about the same health before he healed up and another time AM is active.

https://imgur.com/a/RKQoc

Second healthbar when AM is running You will notice the healthbar is a tiny bit longer than the first one. If you just watch the video its almost impossible to notice, i think.

First healtbar before he healed for 297



Shortcut: Before and after 297 heal


Shortcut: 3 tics of AM

Weird: Even when the healthbar of the AM was slightly longer, if you compare each healtbar after the 297heal and the 3 tics of AM there stays a small gap on the AM-healthbar but the 297heal put him to 100%ish... so if we can trust this it would mean AM slightly healed less than 300hp in 3 tics.

I dont say uth AM is perfect but noooooooooooooooooway its anywhere close to 200 or even 300 per 1.5sec as some of you people claim. I also played bard in 2003 and i agree with loriots memories. AM was very nice for smallmenrvr and against enemies that didnt run a heavy assist, not more, not less.

AM on uth seems to be at 1500/30sec but according to nayrus quote(2014) it should be 2000/30sec.

Nayru wrote:That's wrong. It's 100 every 1.5 seconds for 30 seconds, so overall you and your group are healed for up to 2000hp each

ideas?

open an issue with the evidence you found?

GreenP wrote:Another check on that solobard roaming in emain
Toa with old ra, this is 1.66-1.69 blabla i already mentioned it^^
So we know at some point this bard is healing himself for 297(thx to quality) and i tried to find a second situation where the bard is on about the same health before he healed up and another time AM is active.

200 Base Heal and the rest with 0-25% Heal Bonus 0-20% Relic Bonus 0-28% Mastery of Healing?

if every daoc freeshard researcher got into CSI, i dont think there would be another unsolved case ever again.

Seksy wrote:Pretty underwhelming for a 14 point RA....

Have you heard about Static Tempest?

Are we trying to just sweep this under the rug? I mean even GreenP came around and admitted that it could possibly be wrong! 74.9hp/1.5 sec is wrong, lets fix it.

If you want to get it fixed make a bug report

https://uthgard.org/tracker/issue/2447/

One was already made, and prematurely closed because they assume they have been right from the beginning, when in reality Hib just didn't have enough fanbois to overcome the Midion zerg of thumbs downs.

wtf? On Uthgard isn´t democracy, why the community have a right of choose here?
The AM is currently not 1.65, so fix it.

Since issue #2447 has been opened, I am going to lock this thread.
Please use the issue comment section for further communication regarding this topic.

Thank you all.