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Postby Spivo » Jul 26, 2023 13:01

I assume you are talking about Albion, and if so, then I'm sorry to say I can't take it serious.
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Postby Rudra » Jul 26, 2023 13:18

Hello,
then you haven't read all the posts here in the thread and I'm assuming that many don't take it seriously.
It's not about denouncing anyone here, it's about keeping the server alive and supporting the GM's, if they exist and are interested.
It's no good if more and more players leave the server because nothing is done and such means are used.
The opening of the doors at the keeps with pets, which no guards react to, is also a problem that should be fixed.
Mainly affects Albion Chars (Caba, Minne, Sorc).
Or is that already bugusing or an exploid?
I've experienced this myself at Renaris and Bledmeer, seeing cabapet at the door and no player.
Many know the problems and continue to do so.
I will continue to monitor and report if necessary.
If there are honest players who are also interested in changing these grievances, they can inform me of this via disc or pm.

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Postby Spivo » Jul 26, 2023 13:45

The pet thing is a feature, not a bug. It's annoying, but so are other things related to keep takes.

Only thing keeping this server "alive", is that people log on, and they only log on if they feel it will be worth their while, and to most that means getting levels or rps.
If someone is putting cash in gates to give a realm more rps, then it means more people logging in.

There is nothing else keeping the server alive. Issue fixing stopped roughly 2 years ago, and the dragons been down for 2 years? More? Which happened because one realm got creative.


Edit: Should add I have deep respect with the work the staff have done on this server, and that I think everyone would burn out eventually, especially giving all the grief I've seen delivered on the forums over time.
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Postby Rudra » Jul 26, 2023 14:46

so violating the server rules will be ignored/condoned if it brings in new players?

6. Abuse of bugs, exploits and obvious game errors is forbidden. If you are not sure whether something is a bug or an error then please ask the Uthgard staff for help and clarification. Bugs have to be reported.

8. Intentional cooperation of players between different realms is not allowed. This includes arranged duels and realm point farming.

On which realm do you think the new players will join?
Who are the sufferers?
Do you have to exploit bugs/exploids even if they have been known for a long time, oh sorry features.

The animists also had the "feature" to put shrooms in the lord room from outside, this was changed due to the many posts. An animist must now be in the lord room to place shrooms there. All other casters can continue to cast in from outside.

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Postby Spivo » Jul 26, 2023 15:21

I'm not a fan of people x-realming, and if it's the same person who upgrades, who also takes keeps, then I agree it should be punished, due to the 7 day realm-switch rule.

But I fail to see the hurt it does otherwise.
To me, it seems like all Albs log in for, is to retake keeps, and if they stopped getting rps for it, I think Hibs would have no one to fight. Hibs dominate weekly rps, with Mids being below bottom, not sure we'd want both albs and mids to stop doing rvr?
Maybe the one upgrading the keeps, is doing it to keep albs coming back to retake keeps, so that person can retake them back?

The animist thing was a world on it's own, Hibs could take any Alb keep without breaking down a single gate, we'd see fire, and then keep was gone.
A pet that hits gate means fire, which means people can go there to look for an attacker, or kill pet. If you think killing pets is boring, try fighting animists in sieges.
I find it insulting you'd even compare the two instances, and I feel you are slightly blinded by which realm/class you play, but I could be wrong.

Besides, pets go through gates and guards ignore them, been like this for as long as I've played here, does not seem to me as if it's something that will change.
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Postby Rudra » Jul 26, 2023 15:41

Realm change 48 hours, and you can play in your realm until the end of the change

No, I'm not blind, I go through life with my eyes wide open and also think outside the box.
I play Midgard and also Hibernia (my main realm).
At the moment I really enjoy playing druid again. It's finally possible for us to build groups again and also run openfield against you. How is this possible?
Many midplayers have switched to Hibernia because they too have noticed that splitting up the powers doesn't help.
These players will also move back to Midgard at some point, then your hour has come again.........
Unfortunately, I can't confirm this with regard to pets, yes they go through doors but my enchpet keeps pulling guards. Only they can answer how it is with the mentalists.


but we're getting off topic, this is about rp farming and dualloggin (2 realms)

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Postby Valfar » Jul 26, 2023 18:40

Spivo wrote:The pet thing is a feature, not a bug. It's annoying, but so are other things related to keep takes.

Only thing keeping this server "alive", is that people log on, and they only log on if they feel it will be worth their while, and to most that means getting levels or rps.
If someone is putting cash in gates to give a realm more rps, then it means more people logging in.

There is nothing else keeping the server alive. Issue fixing stopped roughly 2 years ago, and the dragons been down for 2 years? More? Which happened because one realm got creative.


Edit: Should add I have deep respect with the work the staff have done on this server, and that I think everyone would burn out eventually, especially giving all the grief I've seen delivered on the forums over time.


Depends how you define alive. Server has technically been dead for like 5 years, there is some inc but majority is content with keep trading. It's ok I guess, can't complain about it much cause it is what it is and since most players are content with it, I don't see it ever changing. As far as cheating goes, Khaox/Aok/Hanko are constantly killing the same few mid "players" which they themselves are dual logging. They're not even trying to hide it, they've done it multiple times very close to mpk in Claret. It varies though, sometimes they park all 5 of their mid chars there and kill them all and sometimes they park them all there but repeatedly bring one or 2 and chain kill them.

On hib some Oriordan guy is online roughly 20 hours a day (no joke, log at any time of the day and try sending him, he's there 90% of the time) and all he does is boosting doors so albs can get more RPS from lvl 1 keeps. A while back someone in alb group or bg said something like: "Thank Respek's friend for these nice doors". My guess is that it is Respek and this imaginary "friend" is his alter ego, but that's just my guess.

Some years ago Oceadia and some albs came to an agreement that they should upg doors to lvl 4 after taking a keep. To me it was pointless since it literally meant dodging inc, but if it's something they had agreed upon, so be it. Anyone can disagree with it, but technically it's not cheating since server allows it. But yeah, this blatant rp farming and dual logging is getting ridiculous. Again, it is what it is :D.

Btw, I am sure my post will get immediately censored by Genjiro and names will be deleted lol. You know, when you need to report a bug or a cheater, he never responds or cares, but when he needs to censor something, he can be at 10 different places at the same time. It's a classic trait of people who can't think freely and who like censorship and totalitarian systems of any kind. Maybe he has some ex-Stasi agents as friends or something :DDDD.
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Postby Satiah » Jul 26, 2023 18:56

Rudra wrote:Many midplayers have switched to Hibernia because they too have noticed that splitting up the powers doesn't help.
These players will also move back to Midgard at some point, then your hour has come again.........


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Postby Satiah » Jul 26, 2023 19:54

Valfar wrote: A while back someone in alb group or bg said something like: "Thank Respek's friend for these nice doors". My guess is that it is Respek and this imaginary "friend" is his alter ego, but that's just my guess.


Really? You where on Albion and in a BG there?
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Postby Ithiggi » Jul 26, 2023 20:05

Valfar wrote: As far as cheating goes, Khaox/Aok/Hanko are constantly killing the same few mid "players" which they themselves are dual logging. They're not even trying to hide it, they've done it multiple times very close to mpk in Claret. It varies though, sometimes they park all 5 of their mid chars there and kill them all and sometimes they park them all there but repeatedly bring one or 2 and chain kill them.

I have been reporting this for well over a year. Rumor is, he has been banned for this on other account/s. I have a sugestion that all BG deaths be visable globally to all players, level 1 to 50 everywhere. Could bring others out to kill these lowlife RP farmers and maybe start a war.

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Postby Valfar » Jul 26, 2023 20:35

Ithiggi wrote:
Valfar wrote: As far as cheating goes, Khaox/Aok/Hanko are constantly killing the same few mid "players" which they themselves are dual logging. They're not even trying to hide it, they've done it multiple times very close to mpk in Claret. It varies though, sometimes they park all 5 of their mid chars there and kill them all and sometimes they park them all there but repeatedly bring one or 2 and chain kill them.

I have been reporting this for well over a year. Rumor is, he has been banned for this on other account/s. I have a sugestion that all BG deaths be visable globally to all players, level 1 to 50 everywhere. Could bring others out to kill these lowlife RP farmers and maybe start a war.


It would be nice if the lvl 50 BG spam was global, but we both know it's not gonna happen. And if his other accounts were banned, that's just another green light for cheating. RP farm until you get caught, get your 2nd acc banned and keep on going. Usually it takes about 2 years for people to be banned for cheating, so even if they take some rps away from you, chances are you still got a lot. It is what it is :D.
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Postby Spivo » Jul 27, 2023 08:32

Valfar wrote:Depends how you define alive. Server has technically been dead for like 5 years, there is some inc but majority is content with keep trading. It's ok I guess, can't complain about it much cause it is what it is and since most players are content with it, I don't see it ever changing. As far as cheating goes, Khaox/Aok/Hanko are constantly killing the same few mid "players" which they themselves are dual logging. They're not even trying to hide it, they've done it multiple times very close to mpk in Claret. It varies though, sometimes they park all 5 of their mid chars there and kill them all and sometimes they park them all there but repeatedly bring one or 2 and chain kill them.


I see keep trading and kill-farming very differently.
Keep trading has groups involved, and many online join the "fun", so it helps keeping players logging in every day.
Kill-farming does nothing to make people log in, other than the few who does it.

Which is also why I don't see the point in the hunt for some person who upgrades keep gates, for the other realms to get more rps, when retaking. I don't see the harm it does, other than giving hibs more people to fight, and more keeps to retake.
If albs didn't earn a lot of rps from taking keeps, hibs would not have any keeps to retake either.
And for context, hibs keep taking is much easier than for the other realms. Animists are king and emperor of keep take/defence.
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Postby Valfar » Jul 27, 2023 09:25

Spivo wrote:
Valfar wrote:Depends how you define alive. Server has technically been dead for like 5 years, there is some inc but majority is content with keep trading. It's ok I guess, can't complain about it much cause it is what it is and since most players are content with it, I don't see it ever changing. As far as cheating goes, Khaox/Aok/Hanko are constantly killing the same few mid "players" which they themselves are dual logging. They're not even trying to hide it, they've done it multiple times very close to mpk in Claret. It varies though, sometimes they park all 5 of their mid chars there and kill them all and sometimes they park them all there but repeatedly bring one or 2 and chain kill them.


I see keep trading and kill-farming very differently.
Keep trading has groups involved, and many online join the "fun", so it helps keeping players logging in every day.
Kill-farming does nothing to make people log in, other than the few who does it.

Which is also why I don't see the point in the hunt for some person who upgrades keep gates, for the other realms to get more rps, when retaking. I don't see the harm it does, other than giving hibs more people to fight, and more keeps to retake.
If albs didn't earn a lot of rps from taking keeps, hibs would not have any keeps to retake either.
And for context, hibs keep taking is much easier than for the other realms. Animists are king and emperor of keep take/defence.


Oh, I don't mind if people keep trade. I mean, not a huge fan of it and fighting players is more fun, but the game allows it so I don't have a strong opinion on it one way or another. However, there is a problem of people dodging inc in favor of taking lvl 1 keeps, sometimes dodging it in a way where they don't even try one fight to see what they're up against and then maybe go on taking keeps if their setup is not optimal or whatever.

What that hib character Oriordan does is kinda different, though. The guy never does anything else, he's always anon, never joins pve or rvr of any kind and all he does is upg hib doors in all the realms on unclaimed lvl 1 keeps. It's quite obvious this is an alb player doing it. I mean, the population is way, way too low for people to be able to effectively defend these keeps anyway, especially if they're remote. You could argue that he's doing it because keeps take 3 mins to light up on the herald, so he's giving people more time to react, but we can't be that naive to actually believe that's his motive. They are still level one keeps and if for example boldiam/berk or fensa/glenlock are lit, by the time hibs make a group and port there to defend it, the keep is gone anyway. So yeah, the only reason he's doing this is so another realm can harvest rps.

It is what it is, if some guy is willing to be online 20 hours a day (even if he is sleeping meanwhile or being semi afk or whatever), that's his choice. People can like it or not, but we have a lot rr7+ players who would rather take lvl 1 keeps than try any kind of inc that doesn't involve them outnumbering the enemy at least 2 to 1. A lot of these players have been playing together for years as well. I mean, the game itself allows it and if the server population was a bit higher, then nobody would care cause there'd be inc elsewhere. It is what it is and no matter what kind of opinion anyone has about it, I don't see it ever changing. All in all, there's fun to be had from time to time, so who cares.

I have no problems with any of that, even though it does seem strange sometimes. Blatant cheating and RP farming is a problem, but since the uth staff is encouraging people to cheat by not sanctioning it, I guess this is also a part of uthgard experience now and there is no point complaining about it. Have a good laugh instead. It is what it is :D.
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Postby Spivo » Jul 27, 2023 09:36

Valfar wrote:I have no problems with any of that, even though it does seem strange sometimes. Blatant cheating and RP farming is a problem, but since the uth staff is encouraging people to cheat by not sanctioning it, I guess this is also a part of uthgard experience now and there is no point complaining about it. Have a good laugh instead. It is what it is :D.


Feel the same, not a fan of the RvR as it is, feels very PvE server-like, which likely had it's charm, but not to me.
A sad state of affair, but I don't think calling someone out, or stopping them from upgrading gates for another realm to farm rps, will make anyone like the server any more.
If this server had 1000 peak pop, then sure, but I think all this shaming, with banning as goal, will do is make the server even smaller.
Feels toxic to me, and toxic coming from the realm that currently dominates RvR (in a "the one eyed is king of blind" kinda way).
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Postby Rudra » Jul 27, 2023 10:32

Good morning,
Spivo as already said you should read all posts and also when the tread was created. At that time, most of the players who are now in Hibernia were still in Midgard.
It was never about someone getting banned, it was about stopping it.
There is a lot of talk about it in Discord and also in /as, the opinions are clear.
You don't seem to care about the server rules either, but they were created to allow fair play here. Even in real life there are rules that should be followed.
They regulate it with each other, whoever doesn't stick to it will first be warned and then punished.
But I have to admit that the Albs scored a lot yesterday too.
It's still not correct, although there were a few deffer.
Yesterday we had to "work out" our Rp on the level 7 keeps.
There came/were deffer in the keeps.
I'll say it again, level 4 doors for a level 1 keep is ok, but personally I don't think it's good.
Maybe nothing will change, but I want to address problems so that they can be eliminated.

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