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Current problematic state of Uthgard RvR

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Gateaiur Guardian Posts: 6 Joined: May 03, 2016 07:21	by Gateaiur » Mar 15, 2018 03:33 At 1.65 patch level, if u want an easy mode. Go for hib no doubt.

Celeny Warder Posts: 60 Joined: Jun 07, 2017 07:06	by Celeny » Mar 15, 2018 03:52 Gateaiur wrote:At 1.65 patch level, if u want an easy mode. Go for hib no doubt. Whatever this guy is smoking, I would like some please.

Ardri Eagle Knight Posts: 791 Joined: Jun 29, 2016 01:40	by Ardri » Mar 15, 2018 03:53 Gateaiur wrote:At 1.65 patch level, if u want an easy mode. Go for hib no doubt. Hib tank group and mid tank groups are both brain dead easy to play. Push on every inc and let the 4-5 seers heal me. Boring snoozefest That's what people play because it's easy mode and it wins. Yet people still wonder why there are no Alb 8mans lol. <Bushido> Ardri - Minstrel Quickonthedraw - Cabalist Bareknucklechamp - Merc http://imgur.com/P2fR3JZ

Gateaiur Guardian Posts: 6 Joined: May 03, 2016 07:21	by Gateaiur » Mar 15, 2018 04:39 I smoke shroooooms mate, its good for you if u still dont get how mechanism works at 1.65 patch level bcuz you have still something to learn in this game. Enjoy discovering and hope you can learn one day.

Chia Warder Posts: 48 Joined: Aug 13, 2016 08:19	by Chia » Mar 15, 2018 05:03 Hib such ezmode this patch level. Insta amnesia, light tanks that can snare and slam, group purge....

wonshot Gryphon Knight Posts: 295 Joined: Apr 01, 2017 15:43	by wonshot » Mar 15, 2018 06:12 Sure the Grass looks Greener on Hib. i'll show myself out. <<Bombling>> - Supp SM Lvl 50 - RR 7L0 Bombling Saga part I - VI. Magnetling Part I&II. Retired on Uthgard for now. Warhammer RoR private server, and CU beta testing.

RazorRamon Gryphon Knight Posts: 311 Joined: Apr 10, 2010 00:00 Location: California, USA.	by RazorRamon » Mar 15, 2018 07:24 Ardri wrote: Gateaiur wrote:At 1.65 patch level, if u want an easy mode. Go for hib no doubt. Hib tank group and mid tank groups are both brain dead easy to play. Push on every inc and let the 4-5 seers heal me. Boring snoozefest That's what people play because it's easy mode and it wins. Yet people still wonder why there are no Alb 8mans lol. Bruh you're on a minstrel and pulling out comments like this? your class has access to instant stun, instant DD, speed 5, stealth, charmed pets, useful RAs, mezz, climb walls. It would be harder to think of ways to lose with all that utility available to you lol. Next thing you know we'll see some mid come out and try to convince us all how challenging it is to play a bonedancer.

YOLKD Gryphon Knight Posts: 313 Joined: Apr 24, 2016 01:24	by YOLKD » Mar 15, 2018 07:41 RazorRamon wrote:Next thing you know we'll see some mid come out and try to convince us all how challenging it is to play a bonedancer. lmao some mids on this server actually believe bd takes skill! Koochi made the beta quit.

Spivo Eagle Knight Posts: 1006 Joined: Aug 15, 2011 14:29 Location: Denmark	by Spivo » Mar 15, 2018 08:12 RazorRamon wrote:Bruh you're on a minstrel and pulling out comments like this? your class has access to instant stun, instant DD, speed 5, stealth, charmed pets, useful RAs, mezz, climb walls. It would be harder to think of ways to lose with all that utility available to you lol. Next thing you know we'll see some mid come out and try to convince us all how challenging it is to play a bonedancer. He was speaking from a group point of view, not solo class. Minstrel is a strong class, but can't carry a fg. Albion and having fun

Celeny Warder Posts: 60 Joined: Jun 07, 2017 07:06	by Celeny » Mar 15, 2018 10:31 Spivo wrote: RazorRamon wrote:Bruh you're on a minstrel and pulling out comments like this? your class has access to instant stun, instant DD, speed 5, stealth, charmed pets, useful RAs, mezz, climb walls. It would be harder to think of ways to lose with all that utility available to you lol. Next thing you know we'll see some mid come out and try to convince us all how challenging it is to play a bonedancer. He was speaking from a group point of view, not solo class. Minstrel is a strong class, but can't carry a fg. Welcome to every class in RvR, no single person can carry an FG this is why 8v8 is considered competitive because... GASP.... IT TAKES SYNERGY. Saying hib is easy mode on the mid dominated patch level is as retarded as claiming you're the smartest person on the short bus. But I guess that's why I read the forums, the entertainment value is priceless.

Llaw Gryphon Knight Posts: 252 Joined: Apr 23, 2016 10:19	by Llaw » Mar 15, 2018 11:14 Chamst wrote:I wanted to make a separate post about balance in 1.65. When I stopped playing DAoC in 2007-2010 or whatever I considered the balance in 8vs8 (labyrinth release and ~3-4 years after) to be: 1. Alb (This might surprise people but alb was able to make both great kite groups and a German 8vs8 group whos name I cant remember were also destroying everyone in the world with a "stick group" setup in early Ywain cluster. I did however have the impression that alb groups needed to be built to be either ultra defensive or ultra aggressive (puuuush), balanced playstyle was not their thing.) 2. Mid (Great for balanced group 2 banelords, 2 backline casters, 1 warrior) etc. 3. Hib (They felt very similar to mid but just worse, insta lul feels almost unnoticeable when u have ToA NF cast speed, pbt had much lower impact post ToA, stun on a backline caster was only good when hard pushing or to deal with BDs, light eld was still great but with cure NS it had a much lower impact and most hib setups had to run with just 1 cm) Ok hib wasn´t highly underpowered but they def felt like the easiest realm to face as a mid player at least. They did have SoS and light tanks who could spec for slam however but NF SoS wasnt that amazing, speedwarp killed it. When it comes to OF balance though, hib is completely fking crazy. First of they get some of the games best RAs: group purge, invisible twf, BAOD. - Insta lul becomes waaaay better because resetting someones cast time when people cast slowly like in classic DAoC is obviously a lot stronger. Facing a bard in classic is a nightmare compared to TOA NF. - Red NS on a high utility casters single nuke line - Red pbt on a semi-tanky mid liner (optimal position to reach allies with pbt) who can get spec single heals. - Running 2 cm characters in the setup becomes more reasonable because no MLs means u dont "have to have" 2 BLs and 1 bodyguard. - Slam light tanks - Insta AoE root druid (Ok this is probably not imbalanced at all I just hate facing it on INC as a pac healer sometimes) They can also ditch their casters and just play the super durable strat with 2 bards, 2 druids, 1 warden, 3 light tanks. Yes, I´m a wannabe hib in classic for sure. I loved playing bard and light eld on the classic insta 50 servers and I was so grumpy when I was late for the party and my friends had already selected mid for Uthgard. And let´s not even talk about how freaking strong hib is in zerg fights / keep fights when animists are a thing in the game. They are so powerful there that they alone make me wonder how the hell anyone can have any at all interest in the huge epic zerg battles. As a final note, no we can´t take into consideration how people used to play 1.65 ~15 years ago when 1.65 was live. People had no freaking clue how to play 8vs8 back then. Caster groups didnt pre kite, NS in 8vs8 was barely ever used, people pbaoe specced their casters, positioning in fights were below all demands. Again about no cure nearsight, it was fine to not have because it wasnt being exploited anyway. It's hard to take you seriously when you only bring up things that are inconvenient and OP against you. What about Midgard being the only realm with Celerity and thus being able to run much stronger tank groups that require way less coordination to execute, making it much easier to play, than their counter-part setups in other realms? What about Pac Healer being the only class in the game with castable AE stun, insta single stun and insta AE stun? What about Shamans having extremely high RvR utility, as does the Healer, compared to the Cleric in Albion? What about Bards not getting MoC, which both other main CC classes in the other realms get? If Hib is ridiculously strong, why didn't you just roll Hib to start with, and save yourself all this trouble? Based on your experience I would assume you already knew all these problems before even setting foot on Uthgard? Be angry with your friends instead of the patch level of this server. Siege - Warrior Envoy - Bard Aegis - Blademaster Ethical - Mentalist

Spivo Eagle Knight Posts: 1006 Joined: Aug 15, 2011 14:29 Location: Denmark	by Spivo » Mar 15, 2018 11:19 Celeny wrote:Welcome to every class in RvR, no single person can carry an FG this is why 8v8 is considered competitive because... GASP.... IT TAKES SYNERGY. Saying hib is easy mode on the mid dominated patch level is as retarded as claiming you're the smartest person on the short bus. But I guess that's why I read the forums, the entertainment value is priceless. Errmm... that was my point of my quote, and I never said hibs were ease mode, quote someone else for that please. The whole thread started about a mid player lacking people to fight. I started posting when someone blamed albs for being: "Cowards, hive minds, a culture of BG". While I agree it looks like this, my point was that albs do this for a reason, the reason being it's a LOT harder for albs to form competetive pugs than for Hib/Mid. And there is a reason, beyond relics, that mid/hib field more 8 man groups. I don't think any realm is ease mode, I think necroes are easemode PvE, but whole different thread... I do think albs got the short end of the stick on this patch, and that people who point fingers at alb should stop moving to Hib/Mid (take a look at Trade section, and you'll see the majority is moving Plats away from alb), and instead come to Albion and show how it's done. And maybe help build those pugs they seem to think are a piece of cake. The last several posts from angry trolls have done little to move the thread forward, no matter who they aggreed with. Albion and having fun

Gateaiur Guardian Posts: 6 Joined: May 03, 2016 07:21	by Gateaiur » Mar 15, 2018 11:27 Thought most of experienced ppl agree on that hib is the strongest realm at 1.65. You guys are more than welcome to migrate in mid or albion and show everyone else you guys are right and teach ppl how to play another realm and correct ppl in your realm who failed to do so.

Spivo Eagle Knight Posts: 1006 Joined: Aug 15, 2011 14:29 Location: Denmark	by Spivo » Mar 15, 2018 11:55 I think Mids had the best start, which still affects the state of server, and easiest time building groups. Hibs can make the strongest groups and have the best siege classes. Albs have the best solo class, no one even comes close, and can make strong groups that strongly counter hib groups (unless they run mentalist...), but are the hardest realm to actually make groups in. But it's just an oppinion, and people playing albs will agree, while non-albs will likely disagree. My only real "proof" is that Mids started of best, and after things have settled we see hibs starting to dominate and people moving to hib. While albs can't field a single 8 man focused guild, even Chicken and Moo are slowing down. Guilds like Hyper made it to RR6 or so, and left. And I hardly think it was due to lack of competetive groups. The alb 8 man crowd is scattered people from different guilds, and not even every night I see they have a fg running. We got a fg toghether last night, and when we were 8 we did great, but it was 1 fight and after that we slowly dimished and ended with 5 people meeting Monkas (a requiring theme, we always seem to meet them when we either run subpar group, or don't have . Albion and having fun

Stasis Eagle Knight Posts: 803 Joined: Dec 21, 2016 15:28	by Stasis » Mar 15, 2018 12:02 Think all realms can easy play competative with there set 8man. Pugging for rest of the leftovers could rather join the BG and gain some rr atleast in alb. I play stealther 3 days a week and if my duo partner would play visual i got chars decked out for it. And i play stealther because of same reason i rolled a necro and cab and got all LGM i need for my classes. I want to be able to play on my own. That said i would not be negativ to rvr as a full grp (with voice com.). but the effort building it and getting inside the 8man community aint there anymore. RVRing with a fg with bad synergy and maybe not even 50's and 2 clerics is like soloing vs Cirath (insert any other high rr asssasin) in random drop gear. Its fun for so long.