Usually the people who actually have a clue about what's wrong and what's right for this server are usually the one's who RvR on more than 1 character, preferably on more realms, while the rest of the community (even the staff) tends to stand at the side with their hands in their hair thinking: "Oh damn, how can we solve this mess?".

Funny part is that the players with a clue are willing to help, just seems like everyone without doesn't even get that they do.

Zarkor wrote:
Funny part is that the players with a clue are willing to help, just seems like everyone without doesn't even get that they do.

it's also funny how everyone seem to "know what has to be done"

ever thought about it? your "idea"/"solution" might just be just as biased by your personal experiences and look upon things as everyone else you seem to be against because they have a different opinion than you?

nixian wrote:

Zarkor wrote:
Funny part is that the players with a clue are willing to help, just seems like everyone without doesn't even get that they do.

it's also funny how everyone seem to "know what has to be done"

ever thought about it? your "idea"/"solution" might just be just as biased by your personal experiences and look upon things as everyone else you seem to be against because they have a different opinion than you?

If you ever saw those hundreds discussions we've made about Uthgard balance/what can(should) be done on IRC you would belive him^^

You have a point by saying not all ideas are perfect because they simply cant. But trust me. They are way better than most changes Staff made without discussing it with "FORUM FLAMMERS"...

Cespx wrote:

nixian wrote:

Zarkor wrote:
Funny part is that the players with a clue are willing to help, just seems like everyone without doesn't even get that they do.

it's also funny how everyone seem to "know what has to be done"

ever thought about it? your "idea"/"solution" might just be just as biased by your personal experiences and look upon things as everyone else you seem to be against because they have a different opinion than you?

If you ever saw those hundreds discussions we've made about Uthgard balance/what can(should) be done on IRC you would belive him^^

You have a point by saying not all ideas are perfect because they simply cant. But trust me. They are way better than most changes Staff made without discussing it with "FORUM FLAMMERS"...

That's exactly what I'm talking about here. Nixian, you're still clueless.

@zarkor.... /facepalm..

you clearly missed my point:

just because you are convinced that your theory is the correct solution does not make it the right solution..

you might be forgetting important factors which the staff can see but you can't..

the important point here is:

no one can call themselves the following:

100% objective
100% unbiased
100% informed about the impact every single change has on the game
100% sure their solution is the best solution


not even the mighty zarkor

/facepalm

A) I'm not saying my solutions are the only ones. I never said they were perfect either.

B) I just said I'm not talking about MY feedback only here, I'm talking about everyone who has a clue about the whole situation. A player pool you are NOT part of.


Edit: Just to toss out a few names then: Toblerone, Maidrion, Hedra, Braxis, Brooms, Neju, Phaeton, Cespx, ... Pretty much all of them know what they're talking about and pretty much all of them agree on most things when it comes to RvR balance and needed changes.

Also, all of them have had decent Uthgard RvR experience to guide them in that same direction. Why do you think they all somewhat talk about the same problems? Because they experience them every time they RvR.


Which unfortunately is something that can not be said about the majority of the community, including the devs I'm afraid. (which is good heh, if dev's RvRed as much as these guys we wouldn't have a running server)




Nobody here is the godlike oracle, however there are people with a lot of valuable experience, which is apparently not meaning anything, even when it gives them the best position to speak when it comes to RvR balance.

These opinions are waved away as if they mean nothing, THAT is what I'm talking about.

Nixian, there will never be a good solution as long as the people making them happen barely even play the game and the active players coming up with much better ideas get ignored. That I am 100% sure of. Never say never ? I'm saying never.

I wonder where you know all the staffs player names from zarkor since you can say they don't rvr as much as the "uber bunch of people who agrees with zarkor"?

@ toblerone I would also like to know where you know this info from? seriously you 2 talk like your little grp of people is the only persons who rvr on this server xD

nixian wrote:I wonder where you know all the staffs player names from zarkor since you can say they don't rvr as much as the "uber bunch of people who agrees with zarkor"?

@ toblerone I would also like to know where you know this info from? seriously you 2 talk like your little grp of people is the only persons who rvr on this server xD

Stop it Nixian, your ignorance is embarrasing.

As is your skill of hijacking forum topics with your balancing crusade
To be honest, I really do wonder why your forum account has not been
banned, yet.

Sethor wrote:As is your skill of hijacking forum topics with your balancing crusade
To be honest, I really do wonder why your forum account has not been
banned, yet.

Funny how I'm being accused of addressing balance issues, while the issues themselves remain tucked away under a blanket of sweet sweet ignorance.


I gotta agree with Toblerone. I say never.

nixian wrote:@ toblerone I would also like to know where you know this info from? seriously you 2 talk like your little grp of people is the only persons who rvr on this server xD

Want an honest answer ?

I've been here for 4 years, of course I know some of the older GMs characters. I saw them rvr, I played both with and against them, more than enough to draw a conclusion of how often (rather not) they play or how shallow their knowledge of the game really is. I talked to some ingame, without revealing to them that I know they're gamemasters. I'm not making this up.

And the fact that some major imbalances remain intact for years and still remain disregarded a issues at all, it doesn't take a genius to figure out what's the score here.

If they rvr at all they obviously don't care about balance (which doesn't change anything being as they don't care about balance either way) making this discussion, this whole thread and the whole "mail us your opinion! so it looks like we care about what you got to say" obsolete and pointless.

I didn't bother sending an e-mail because I knew it would have changed nothing. All I see in nayru's post are the same replies to the same questions and topics I've been reading over and over and over and again during these years: "no, it's past 1.80" "never" and "we'll discuss it".

The whole idea of going back to 1.65 for purely roleplaying reason is sickening and I don't know how anyone in their right mind would even propose it, especially on a server that claims to be out of character. Instead of evolving you want to push the server back into the stone age making it even worse, I don't understand how can a sentient person refuse to improve and rather choose to degenerate their own project. Absolutely no improvements but lots of downgrades all for the sake of nostalgia.

Balance is good but there are one problem. If we want go clasic daoc we only can balance here with custom balances, but when we will balance one problem we can disbalance other. In my opinion all should be implemented like was some years ago. There were imbalances but all were happy. If we want better balance her we should go to last daoc patch, where all have cele, tanks can cast...

There are custom changes that doesnt affect the game like ports to hoousing or capital, or barrels, tajendi... But there are other that affect like nerf pots, self buffs...

vangonaj wrote:Balance is good but there are one problem. If we want go clasic daoc we only can balance here with custom balances, but when we will balance one problem we can disbalance other. In my opinion all should be implemented like was some years ago. There were imbalances but all were happy. If we want better balance her we should go to last daoc patch, where all have cele, tanks can cast...

There are custom changes that doesnt affect the game like ports to hoousing or capital, or barrels, tajendi... But there are other that affect like nerf pots, self buffs...

See this is a perfectly good example of a biased opinion. Someone playing a single realm (the most powerful one), a single character (a stealther, ok you have a 5l6 healer woopwoop) saying balance is good and his only pet peeve about uthgard is the charge nerf which affects his only active character

That is not the reason why I'm wondering that you haven't received a forum ban, yet. The reason is how you and some other guys are addressing certain issues. You are pushing the staff as if your opinion was the only true possibility - a totalitarian behaviour whilst being in a position that simply does not empower you to act that way. In addition you, as well as some of the players you enlisted, tend to spam your "huge balancing issue crusade" all over these forums and do not hesitate to even hijack news-postings or info-request/hello topics of new players. That is a manner that simply can not be allowed.

Vagonaj gave the first very neutral view on balancing and additional custom features. Acceptance towards possible custom content as long as it does not affect game mechanics. Implement it the way it was back on live servers in the old times (without obvious bugs e.g. wrong dmg-table svg). See how it works and then eventually adjust, but not simply adjust it in a way that best fits your own purpose/opinion because you believe to inherit the one and only salvation for this server.

Kind regards,
Sethor

PS.: An unbiased opinion does not exist. Same goes for your wanted balance in a setting that Uthgard is heading for. A true balance may only be achieved by offering every realm the same skills and possibilities just as it almost is on todays official DAoC servers - but that's not what Uthgard is heading for.