Dedicated to the toxics and erm, well, this could be the perfect monster to fight in darkness falls, and everywhere for that matter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueC4bl6Jwa4

I heard about Uthgard from friends who ranted and raved about the game and decided to give it a try. I begin playing Daoc for the first time day 1 of this beta. I knew nothing about the game. Within a month I was 50, and fully geared with a temp I designed myself. You don't need a map, you can learn where you are. You don't need the xp to change, it should be hard, therefore it was very rewarding to hit 50. You don't need any of the changes that people cry about, you can do without and the game is still fine. What you do need is to realize that from what i've seen day in and day out of checking the forums and playing the game myself is that the Dev's do not care about your opinion and will do what they are going to do, therefore there is no use to sitting here crying about this that and the other. Personally I think people will come back when they know that overall their time will not be wiped and could put as much or as little time in as they like and still have their progress without worrying about a wipe. I look forward to playing the final product, and until then there isn't much we can do. However I do wish the dev's would keep us posted on more than they have.

Zurgo wrote:I heard about Uthgard from friends who ranted and raved about the game and decided to give it a try. I begin playing Daoc for the first time day 1 of this beta. I knew nothing about the game. Within a month I was 50, and fully geared with a temp I designed myself. You don't need a map, you can learn where you are. You don't need the xp to change, it should be hard, therefore it was very rewarding to hit 50. You don't need any of the changes that people cry about, you can do without and the game is still fine. What you do need is to realize that from what i've seen day in and day out of checking the forums and playing the game myself is that the Dev's do not care about your opinion and will do what they are going to do, therefore there is no use to sitting here crying about this that and the other. Personally I think people will come back when they know that overall their time will not be wiped and could put as much or as little time in as they like and still have their progress without worrying about a wipe. I look forward to playing the final product, and until then there isn't much we can do. However I do wish the dev's would keep us posted on more than they have.

Way to preach about something you know nothing about ... Nobody is crying so I'm not sure where you have seen that. Everybody on this forum, and I mean everybody, wants this server to succeed. And each person has their own idea of how to achieve that. So, while the devs have their vision, you should also see that nobody here is wrong or right. It's opinion vs opinion. That's the whole point of a discussion. If you can't have a discussion without name calling or calling out crying or doomsaying then perhaps you shouldn't be a part of the conversation to begin with...


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Talking about changes like implementing a map and other QOL changes or the server is doomed sounds like some crying to me.

Yes, i'd rather have a map and retain a considerable amount of players in Uthgard, instead of sacrificing QOL for a bunch of elitist douchebags that still think it's cool to use a map on a second monitor.

so fken cool right.

If you think that QOL changes are the reason people are not playing right now you're sadly mistaken. The real issue lies in if the game revolves around pvp and there isn't anyone in Emain to fight against, what is there reason to be playing? I understand you can be finding bugs, which I have, you can craft, which I did, and you can get a feel for the game, but all in all people love Daoc for the pvp. Roaming around Emain for hours without getting a fight or even seeing anyone is disheartening for everyone. The game will be fine without the changes, and I can bet you yourself will come back to play on i50/live. Believe me I am more than excited for the launch, I have never had the feeling playing a game that I got from playing this one. I guess what i'm trying to get across is don't get tripped up on the little things. This game is great and live will prove it.

Zurgo wrote:If you think that QOL changes are the reason people are not playing right now you're sadly mistaken. The real issue lies in if the game revolves around pvp and there isn't anyone in Emain to fight against, what is there reason to be playing? I understand you can be finding bugs, which I have, you can craft, which I did, and you can get a feel for the game, but all in all people love Daoc for the pvp. Roaming around Emain for hours without getting a fight or even seeing anyone is disheartening for everyone. The game will be fine without the changes, and I can bet you yourself will come back to play on i50/live. Believe me I am more than excited for the launch, I have never had the feeling playing a game that I got from playing this one. I guess what i'm trying to get across is don't get tripped up on the little things. This game is great and live will prove it.

... in your opinion.

Zurgo wrote:Talking about changes like implementing a map and other QOL changes or the server is doomed sounds like some crying to me.

If that's what crying sounds like to you then I'm going to assume you live in a paradise that words cannot describe. Either that or you've just gone full retard.

Is crying an expression i'm making or are you actually crying while you rage in a forum post lmao. Reguardless, I voiced my opinion and you're entitled to yours. See you in Emain.

Zurgo wrote:Is crying an expression i'm making or are you actually crying while you rage in a forum post lmao. Reguardless, I voiced my opinion and you're entitled to yours. See you in Emain.

Ok I get it sorry, you're just illiterate.


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Zurgo wrote:I heard about Uthgard from friends who ranted and raved about the game and decided to give it a try. I begin playing Daoc for the first time day 1 of this beta. I knew nothing about the game. Within a month I was 50, and fully geared with a temp I designed myself. You don't need a map, you can learn where you are. You don't need the xp to change, it should be hard, therefore it was very rewarding to hit 50. You don't need any of the changes that people cry about, you can do without and the game is still fine. What you do need is to realize that from what i've seen day in and day out of checking the forums and playing the game myself is that the Dev's do not care about your opinion and will do what they are going to do, therefore there is no use to sitting here crying about this that and the other. Personally I think people will come back when they know that overall their time will not be wiped and could put as much or as little time in as they like and still have their progress without worrying about a wipe. I look forward to playing the final product, and until then there isn't much we can do. However I do wish the dev's would keep us posted on more than they have.

I'm happy to see a new player so enthusiastic about the game and server, But... Please realize that many of us have been playing daoc for several hundred years. Not to sound like troll, but the guys who have been playing here are some of the most experienced daoc players on the planet. And that's the truth. You may have a few on live thees days but for the most part this is all that's left. Our "opinions" are as good as it gets. I'm sure you have learned a lot in your month of play I hope you learn much more. Do not however mistake heartfelt opinions based on years of experience, for crying.

Zurgo wrote:If you think that QOL changes are the reason people are not playing right now you're sadly mistaken. The real issue lies in if the game revolves around pvp and there isn't anyone in Emain to fight against, what is there reason to be playing? I understand you can be finding bugs, which I have, you can craft, which I did, and you can get a feel for the game, but all in all people love Daoc for the pvp. Roaming around Emain for hours without getting a fight or even seeing anyone is disheartening for everyone. The game will be fine without the changes, and I can bet you yourself will come back to play on i50/live. Believe me I am more than excited for the launch, I have never had the feeling playing a game that I got from playing this one. I guess what i'm trying to get across is don't get tripped up on the little things. This game is great and live will prove it.

We're just waiting for live, there's not many people willing to play hardcore for a month or more to get to 50 and templated when they know the game will be reset and it'll essentially be for nothing since the vast majority of us have played DAoC before and have minimal learning to do. Any bugs that may be in the game have almost definitely been reported and tbh even i50 isn't going to encourage me personally to play because as i said it's all being wiped.

Plus like you said there's very few people to even fight. Lets be honest you only want i50 so you can kick some ass due to the majority of your enemies not being in a template, which gives you a big advantage, lol. It's the same as when i30 came in and you had FG's of 50's constantly roaming in DF to kill untemplated 30's. I mean really, do you need to win that badly that you spend a solid month leveling and gearing up just so you can kill some people that have absolutely no chance to fight back?

I've tested as much as i am comfortable with, there's just no reason to log in until launch now for me.

I wont be back for i50... I'll wait for beta to end and if there's still a decent player base I'll log in. If however the server only has 100 or so players I'll just find another game to play.

I don't know about the most experienced players, but Uthgard certainly has the most experienced trolls. In these forums and especially the starter guilds. I shouldn't complain though, at least people are not starting mega-rants over wanting full-on buffbots back in the game. Some folks sure want the easy road though in other things. Bleah.

I am testing! I am here now and I will be back for I50. I missed the original DAoC beta (Started Feb/2002), I ain't missing this one!
It is an honor and a privilege.

The rabid opposition to a working map is amazing to me. Even more so from someone who claims to not even have played the game back at release. You dont even have nostalgia to point to as a reason for being against it. Adding it does absolutely NOTHING to your gaming experience, nor mine. But it does help create a slightly better chance that more casual gamers will stick around longer and eventually hit 50 and rvr.

Being against something that would only help the server while having zero drawbacks is borderline insane. Its also inconsistent, because seemingly none of the 'hardcore' players against maps, seem to be in favor of removing autoloot: which ALSO wasn't in during 1.65. A minor convenience being able to autoloot. How exactly does one separate that from the minor convenience of NOT having to window out to view a map?

I am an Casual, never been a hardocore DAOC player. My past experience with DAOC is a bit of Uthgard back in the day and very short live session.

Hated how the game was casualized. Tbh myself I loved the no map at all beta, there was something special about it, like being lost in the world of daoc again after so many years, that made me love it from the very start, way more then the first time I played.

Therefore... What exactly are you basing your opinion that no map is bad? And don't tell me i'm minority because over last few months there was plenty of people like me who experienced the same, that were vocal over it here on forums.

Another thing is bringing new players that never played DAOC before, which in that matter not really going to happen for a game this old brah, face it. This is a game for the old crowd now that enjoys this type of gameplay.

Old games are for old people and thats that.