Want you compensate? Use pots and charges too. It´s easy.

You said in live they have patches. Live daoc is moving to turn in wow, all have same abilities...

Kaltess wrote:MMO are not made for solo.If you want to solo,change game or select your target.If visible classes don't run solo,than don't run solo too.Stop to want "i win vs all".

If i must contemplate you game play, why you cant contemplate my gamplay and other players too? If you want epic battles go emain to have them. When i want my 1vs1 combats i go to other zones to have them. Staff should contemplate 1vs1 community.

zaszeadora wrote:

vangonaj wrote:Buffbot isn´t buffpot/charge. If all people who are lazy to craft them and farm them, want see the difference, isn´t reason to remove or nerf them again. Pots and charges were nerfed 2 times yet, is enough. Why all want play custom daoc and not real daoc?

Why not go to first daoc version, when all people used epic armor only? Why not remove all craft?


Tell me the difference between buffbot and duo tank suporter killing solos?

On Live daoc ppl can use buffbots and patches are done thinking about that, here you can see assasins killing friars easily and on OLD daoc friars was feared by assasins cause they was THE rogue killer.

Later all ppl began using Buffbots and the patch circle changed, wardes got celerity and spec heald, shield, friars got rej styles and more specpoints to compensate

On utghard assasins get the buff bot buffs( str/cons charge and dex quic one) but we dont compensate this unbalance.

This must be a noob friar then. A well played friar is one of the strongest melee classes. Sorry but comparing red bases with 20 value pots is just ridiculous. The friar enchantment line offers so much more.

When you compare charges with the pf line:

Damadd: useless can be charged for a far superior version that hurts more
Spec AF: better value than the nerfed charge one and that means it is useful.
Base str: very good for blade spec and decent for piercing
Speedshout: very good
D/Q: It is ok unless you dont spend 48 points and but lack of bow damage.

Ronian wrote:

zaszeadora wrote:

vangonaj wrote:Buffbot isn´t buffpot/charge. If all people who are lazy to craft them and farm them, want see the difference, isn´t reason to remove or nerf them again. Pots and charges were nerfed 2 times yet, is enough. Why all want play custom daoc and not real daoc?

Why not go to first daoc version, when all people used epic armor only? Why not remove all craft?


Tell me the difference between buffbot and duo tank suporter killing solos?

On Live daoc ppl can use buffbots and patches are done thinking about that, here you can see assasins killing friars easily and on OLD daoc friars was feared by assasins cause they was THE rogue killer.

Later all ppl began using Buffbots and the patch circle changed, wardes got celerity and spec heald, shield, friars got rej styles and more specpoints to compensate

On utghard assasins get the buff bot buffs( str/cons charge and dex quic one) but we dont compensate this unbalance.

This must be a noob friar then. A well played friar is one of the strongest melee classes. Sorry but comparing red bases with 20 value pots is just ridiculous. The friar enchantment line offers so much more.

When you compare charges with the pf line:

Damadd: useless can be charged for a far superior version that hurts more
Spec AF: better value than the nerfed charge one and that means it is useful.
Base str: very good for blade spec and decent for piercing
Speedshout: very good
D/Q: It is ok unless you dont spend 48 points and but lack of bow damage.

well, not so long ago all dual wielding stealthes had a huge (bug-related) advantage against friars...their dualwield halfed the parry of the friar which was wrong...some weeks ago changelog statted this bug to be fixed now. (dual wield no longer half parry).

vangonaj wrote:Tell me the difference between buffbot and duo tank suporter killing solos?

2 people playing.

Kaltess wrote:

vangonaj wrote:Tell me the difference between buffbot and duo tank suporter killing solos?

2 people playing.

Yes fullbuffed tank killing 1 solo while this solo cant do nothing. The same situation like buffbot.

personally i dont think this discussion is about buff pots at all. it seems more like a masked discussion about how powerful rangers are right now. the buff potions aren't the problem, it's their extremely nice RA set they have access to. when rangers don't have PD, even with their bugged damage tables, its more of a fair fight against other stealthers. i fight rangers who don't even take the time to play well and still win because my PA does (-422).

removing buff potions is just an idiotic suggestion, everyone can get them, its no unfair advantage..

Ironberg wrote:removing buff potions is just an idiotic suggestion, everyone can get them, its no unfair advantage..

If everyone has them, then why does everyone need them?

Seyha wrote:

Ironberg wrote:removing buff potions is just an idiotic suggestion, everyone can get them, its no unfair advantage..

If everyone has them, then why does everyone need them?

If you need fight vs duo suporter/tank.... they help vs suporter buff advantage.

vangonaj wrote:

Seyha wrote:

Ironberg wrote:removing buff potions is just an idiotic suggestion, everyone can get them, its no unfair advantage..

If everyone has them, then why does everyone need them?

If you need fight vs duo suporter/tank.... they help vs suporter buff advantage.

tbh i dont see why this is an argument to keep buff potions..

if you go solo vs a tank/caster + supporter.. your supposed to loose..

Not ever. And if are duo vs duo or trio vs trio... 1 group has suporter other no.

I don't know if it was said already, but I 'd like to add, that I heard from many side, that the wizards damage is not working livelike yet.

As you can hardly see there are anyway not really many wizards playing, yet. But I saw, that the damage is already working for the lower levels, but getting just a low bonus at the higher levels.

Maybe this can be added to the damage recalculations, if there is time.


Btw.: Nice work! I 'd like to help, I will have a look, how that may be possible for me.

Astealoth wrote:personally i dont think this discussion is about buff pots at all. it seems more like a masked discussion about how powerful rangers are right now. the buff potions aren't the problem, it's their extremely nice RA set they have access to. when rangers don't have PD, even with their bugged damage tables, its more of a fair fight against other stealthers. i fight rangers who don't even take the time to play well and still win because my PA does (-422).

Maybe try CD after your PA and if the ranger has no purge up he should be dead no matter what type of pd he has. I cant understand how assassins can cry about PD and they have access to (in my opinion) one of the most strongest lines on Uthgard: the venom line
118 str/con debuff, disease which reduces the effectivness of ip and you also need "to waste" a second ability to have the full benefit and there is also the unbreakable snare and mighty viper3. So how can you cry about more physical resistance.

I recommend to roll or borrow a ranger and you will see how op it is. Consequently, I would trade anytime my pd vs poison line and evade7.


@Musikus
Friars parried a lot before the fix, more than other classes in my opinion. Together with high evade chance and resistant armor to piercing damage they had the best defense vs any ranger and pd couldnt compete with their defense at all. They still made more damage than any warrior and of course near speed cap.

Ronian, I didn't say anything about Friars. You have me confused friend. ^^

Ronian wrote:I recommend to roll or borrow a ranger and you will see how op it is. Consequently, I would trade anytime my pd vs poison line and evade7.

Remember ranger was designed for bow and not for melee. And pd5 is insane if you dont spec viper3. But i agree if ranger has purge down after long stun he will die for sure, but only if he was stuned when he has 20% hp and when stun finish he cant use ip and rr5^^.