has anybody ever face a VW face to face as a friar? what was the outcome?

I spoke to few players and they all suggestted avoid showing your side because of a powerful side chain on VW.

overall, what char do you think would win in a duel?
Im assuming valewalker, due to their distance life taps, dots and huge single target damage, but having never fought one, I dont know.

do friars do more damage with staves or is scythe a more damaging weapon style wise?

Well the vw will want to start lt at a range, so it is imperative that you sprint towards him and interrupt him with taunt/dd charge.

When you reach him, since you have better anytime styles, just focus on spamming those and evading his positionals (side and back).

If you manage to do that, you should be successful in defeating a vw as a friar.

I'd say a vw would come out on top because it can do significant damage to a friar before the friar even comes close and in melee vw has easy to land stuns (side and back). Not to mention RAs work in the favor of the vw here, ichor is bugged and cannot be purged while static tempest barely even works at all. Friar has better selfbuffs (stat buffs) and is very powerful in melee but I don't think it would stand toe to toe with a vw. Well, this is all theory I never played solo one or the other and fought in a duel (I did play both classes though) and just by looking at the classes' given abilities and possibilites I'm fairly certain that vw comes out on top.

given the friars resist buffs, and the fact that a staff can be envenomed, I think it could be a really close fight. could see either class winning.

VW are cheaters who use bugs to Back stun when in front,as rangers do with their side stun.So...good luck

Kaltess wrote:VW are cheaters who use bugs to Back stun when in front,as rangers do with their side stun.So...good luck

whether strafing should be considered a bug or a feature has been discussed since daoc was created - please don't start with it here too

both rr5+ Friar should win most of the time, Selfbuffs, instant taunt, higher evade, disarm and static should kill the VW.

Of course this "anytime" stuns would be a problem, but you can purge them and purge against a friar is useless because friars dont have anything to purge ...

i see the advantage on friar side.

Force wrote:given the friars resist buffs, and the fact that a staff can be envenomed, I think it could be a really close fight. could see either class winning.

1. Vales do Body damage and friars have heat/cold/matter.
2. Poisoned Staff is somehow bugusing and shouldnt be allowed anyway.

Tirax wrote:both rr5+ Friar should win most of the time, Selfbuffs, instant taunt, higher evade, disarm and static should kill the VW.

Static tempest is easy to avoid before its first tick. Against disarm you can snare or ichor until it goes off.

1. Vales do Body damage and friars have heat/cold/matter.

But VW styleprocs are heat and cold.

Anyway both have good chances to win, paper daoc won't help much here ^^

Tirax wrote:both rr5+ Friar should win most of the time, Selfbuffs, instant taunt, higher evade, disarm and static should kill the VW.

While most of this is true, taunt has limited use since rupt system on uth is broken and static tempest is too.

Tirax wrote:Of course this "anytime" stuns would be a problem, but you can purge them and purge against a friar is useless because friars dont have anything to purge ...

Could always purge a d/q debuff charge ^^ if you really want to purge stuff.

Tirax wrote:1. Vales do Body damage and friars have heat/cold/matter.

Vw style procs do fire and cold damage and are the real source of their melee damage, pretty much like reavers' is.

In my experience (as a friar), a friar would have a better chance to win by a VERY slight margin, but it's an extremely close fight that depends a lot on the RR and RA spec of both opponents, and when you factor in pots and charges it's anybody's ball game.

Tirax wrote:
1. Vales do Body damage and friars have heat/cold/matter.
2. Poisoned Staff is somehow bugusing and shouldnt be allowed anyway.

VW lifetap (also animist) should be energy damage. But that's not to what I was reffering. Their melee procs are cold and heat which the friar will be buffed against. And poison staff is not bug abuse