What is Leviathan Proc Damage based on?

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Postby epo » May 17, 2013 17:27

In theory, a combination of burstdmg(hero/armsman/thane/skald)+spikedmg(merc/bm/vw/zerk/svg)+stable dps[+debuff](reaver/champ/friar/warri) works best. But that's another topic.

Ok, so rather than somehow trying to do unstable dmg, increase the stable dmg and try to do as many procs as possible by increasing atk_spd which will result in higher dps.

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Postby Raggnar » May 17, 2013 21:55

epo wrote:In theory, a combination of burstdmg(hero/armsman/thane/skald)+spikedmg(merc/bm/vw/zerk/svg)+stable dps[+debuff](reaver/champ/friar/warri) works best. But that's another topic.

Ok, so rather than somehow trying to do unstable dmg, increase the stable dmg and try to do as many procs as possible by increasing atk_spd which will result in higher dps.

Thanks for the input.


Can you tell me how exactly do you put hero and armsman in same category with skald and thane xD? Also, hero/armsman/warr are the ones that do spike dmg(really heavy hits that make people implode), and light tanks have more of a burst dmg, due to wielding two weapons and swinging fast while hitting for very nice dmg and having nice additions like vendo/flurry/triple wield(zerker can deal massive spike dmg too, if you get lucky on crits...however, you can also get unlucky and do crits for like 9 dmg xD). Reaver still has best damage output though, it's a joke.
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Postby Force » May 18, 2013 00:22

Reaver has best potential with cold debuff, but savage will beat undebuffed levi, both lose to DW mechanics when a guard is involved due to broken defense mechanics here.

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Postby Raggnar » May 18, 2013 11:24

Force wrote:Reaver has best potential with cold debuff, but savage will beat undebuffed levi, both lose to DW mechanics when a guard is involved due to broken defense mechanics here.


Most good reavers land leviathans with no difficulty by constantly strafing anyway. Also, savage can deal that much damage only in theory. Sure, most savages have high mopain, but you still need to get lucky on good crits and on quad or triple hits. Reaver damage is way more stable, leviathans don't get resisted much. Besides, reaver has a ton of other stuff and he can slam for himself, while savage needs to land a side stun or ask warrior for slam. Savage is nice though, when it lands, it hurts :).
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Postby epo » May 18, 2013 13:29

Does triple/quad hit even work on Uthgard? I believe that most of the things you say work for Liveservers...


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Postby Raggnar » May 18, 2013 13:49

epo wrote:Does triple/quad hit even work on Uthgard? I believe that most of the things you say work for Liveservers...


However, i appreciate your good taste in music! Rock'n'Roll Gas Station!


They work, and savage can deal awesome damage, but defense penetration is a problem. If you are hitting a guarded target, you will not land many hits. Still, savage is nice to freelance and pick targets that don't have a guarder close and is pretty good in assisting warr and RM in dropping overextending tanks.
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Postby Force » May 19, 2013 02:37

Raggnar wrote:
Force wrote:Reaver has best potential with cold debuff, but savage will beat undebuffed levi, both lose to DW mechanics when a guard is involved due to broken defense mechanics here.


Most good reavers land leviathans with no difficulty by constantly strafing anyway.




Yes I know, which is why I compared savage dmg to levi. its not as flat, but its still more overall DPS.

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Postby Celteen » May 19, 2013 12:07

I'm always happy if a midgrp runs savage it's just a gimped zerker.
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Postby Nef Melody » May 19, 2013 13:10

Celteen wrote:I'm always happy if a midgrp runs savage it's just a gimped zerker.


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Postby Force » May 19, 2013 23:11

Celteen wrote:...it's just a gimped zerker.




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Postby Celteen » May 20, 2013 14:00

Savage gets snared and is out of combat, or gets slamed and is out of combat.
Or you just face him dealing 0 damage or you just get guard from a bm and he is out of combat.
Without charge it's just easy to get rid of him. At least there is not a single savage playing well enough to be a threat.
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Postby Ormilig » May 20, 2013 14:23

Have fun snaring a savage with high dex/qui + evade buff up + blue pbt.

If a BM goes to guard the target of the savage, somebody else more important is free. And even if you are facing him, a savage will simply destroy you.
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Postby Celteen » May 20, 2013 14:24

Says the Savage player! ;p
I can just stick the bm target ;)
Sure he has some nice tools for some dps spikes but still it's a lot easier to get rid of a savage than a zerker, no backsnare nowadays doesnt help either.
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Postby pweet » May 20, 2013 14:29

u land a back snare pretty easy on a svg, no way ur high evade will help u a lot vs a bm

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