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Starting a Minstrel

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Fabulabelle Eagle Knight Posts: 793 Joined: Jul 22, 2011 14:54	Reply with quote by Fabulabelle » May 15, 2012 16:00 But this implies to use 2 respec line >>> Please click here and Save the Pandas! They need us! They need you! <<< Best Realm Rank will be 1L1 !

HulkGris Phoenix Knight Posts: 1256 Joined: Jan 23, 2012 19:48	Reply with quote by HulkGris » May 15, 2012 16:09 Fabulabelle wrote:But this implies to use 2 respec line One. U gain a respec line for free at lvl 40. RIP : Ectoplasme My own version of Uthgard Character Builder

Fabulabelle Eagle Knight Posts: 793 Joined: Jul 22, 2011 14:54	Reply with quote by Fabulabelle » May 16, 2012 09:19 But you have to respec 1 at lvl 44, and then 1 at lvl 48. Cause for this minstrel AT, you have to AT to lvl 40 or 48, 44 doesn't provide anything interesting. >>> Please click here and Save the Pandas! They need us! They need you! <<< Best Realm Rank will be 1L1 !

HulkGris Phoenix Knight Posts: 1256 Joined: Jan 23, 2012 19:48	Reply with quote by HulkGris » May 16, 2012 09:50 Fabulabelle wrote:But you have to respec 1 at lvl 44, and then 1 at lvl 48. Cause for this minstrel AT, you have to AT to lvl 40 or 48, 44 doesn't provide anything interesting. What i itended to do is AT to 40, respec line to get Instru, play in wilton (or xp) until 43.5, the respec line to remove instru, and go back to spec with AT instru until 48. At 48, no need to respec in this case. If u want to play with instru from lvl 40 to 48, then yes, u have to use 2 respec line RIP : Ectoplasme My own version of Uthgard Character Builder

Fabulabelle Eagle Knight Posts: 793 Joined: Jul 22, 2011 14:54	Reply with quote by Fabulabelle » May 16, 2012 10:18 Ok I Get it ^^ By the way, it's tough to play without instru after lvl40, so my first question was to know if it worths or not to AT from lvl 40 to 48 only to get 33 in stealth instead of 32. >>> Please click here and Save the Pandas! They need us! They need you! <<< Best Realm Rank will be 1L1 !

EternitySphere Myrmidon Posts: 134 Joined: Mar 25, 2010 01:00	Reply with quote by EternitySphere » May 16, 2012 12:16 I AT'd completely solo to 48, as my first toon on the server. I helped a friend AT his minstrel by giving him respec stones every 4 levels. Doing it the solo method is a pretty big grind, however you can chain pull yellow-oj mobss quite easily. Of course your music is almost nonexistant, by wearing some +music items you can charm and hold some low level mobs that heal (filidh, druid) and take them out to Lyonesse. Park it at a camp, put it on passive, chain pull mobs and let tat little mob work her butt off chain healing you. Try to stick with something weak to slash/thrust, whichever spec you are. And fwiw inregard to stealth, either 25 stealth or 0. Anything else just doesn't make sense. A little more stealth will make next to no difference vs assassins/archers. I've had numerous groups run over me and try to find me with 25+16 stealth, a few have been sharp enough to pop me, but you should generally be stealthed long before anyone gets close anyways. Alb - Eternitys, Eternityz, Spectres, Prophecy, Phantasm, Swarm Mid - Spheres, Cicada, Aalea Eternitys - If were allowing custom changes, why would the staff choose to remove a very very good and highly accepted custom change such as barrels? Then on top of that, use the "it's livelike" excuse as a reason for removing them? If staff are so concerned about livelike and that's the direction the staff wish to go, I'd fully support a 100% livelike server. However if there are custom changes on the server, then using the "livelike" excuse is being nothing more then hypocritical. Staff - Locked!

Fabulabelle Eagle Knight Posts: 793 Joined: Jul 22, 2011 14:54	Reply with quote by Fabulabelle » May 16, 2012 12:32 You are saying that stealth doesnt really matter between 32 or 33 so? as you said that 25 in stealth is enough. >>> Please click here and Save the Pandas! They need us! They need you! <<< Best Realm Rank will be 1L1 !

EternitySphere Myrmidon Posts: 134 Joined: Mar 25, 2010 01:00	Reply with quote by EternitySphere » May 16, 2012 15:21 Fabulabelle wrote:You are saying that stealth doesnt really matter between 32 or 33 so? as you said that 25 in stealth is enough. Exactly. The difference of stealth between 25 and 32-33 is minimal and not worth the tradeoff you gain by putting those points in weapon. You will maybe be 5% harder to find then if you had 25 stealth. You will be highly visible to any assassin and any archer regardless. If your plan is to stealth around MGs, then your primary role is basically as bait. Once a stealther pops you your partner would jump them, then you're free to apply dmg or cc if there are more stealthers (when aren't there). I've had rr10 SB run right over me on horsepaths while riding out and not even know I was there, but this is more about the speed+detection mechanic in DAOC. Alb - Eternitys, Eternityz, Spectres, Prophecy, Phantasm, Swarm Mid - Spheres, Cicada, Aalea Eternitys - If were allowing custom changes, why would the staff choose to remove a very very good and highly accepted custom change such as barrels? Then on top of that, use the "it's livelike" excuse as a reason for removing them? If staff are so concerned about livelike and that's the direction the staff wish to go, I'd fully support a 100% livelike server. However if there are custom changes on the server, then using the "livelike" excuse is being nothing more then hypocritical. Staff - Locked!

Fabulabelle Eagle Knight Posts: 793 Joined: Jul 22, 2011 14:54	Reply with quote by Fabulabelle » May 16, 2012 15:39 That means that AT is worthless, cause AT: 50 music 33 stealth 30 weapon and no AT: 50 music 30 stealth 30 weapon !! So maybe the hard way to level in AT doesn't worth so, according to what you are saying! >>> Please click here and Save the Pandas! They need us! They need you! <<< Best Realm Rank will be 1L1 !

EternitySphere Myrmidon Posts: 134 Joined: Mar 25, 2010 01:00	Reply with quote by EternitySphere » May 16, 2012 19:35 Maybe you're misunderstanding me. I said anything other than 25 or 0 stealth is useless. There is no reason to have anything other than 0 or 25 stealth imho. The difference between 30 stealth and 25 stealth is meaningless, you gain almost nothing in terms of stealthability. The only reason you would go to 25 is for the climb walls, obviously. Of course the 25 stealth also allows for more flexibility in play, there have been times when in an 8man I would stealth on inc, then demezz our group. Or I'd stealth, wait til the other groups train is on a target, then pop out and mezz peel after their charge is down. And fwiw, fully AT'd, my spec has always been: 50-Instruments 36-Slash 25-Stealth By fully AT'ing, the entire additional AT points were put into weapon. Should I ever decide to drop stealth, I will be able to respec to 44 thrust for the 2 style anytime snare. You can't get that without fully ATing if I recall correctly. Alb - Eternitys, Eternityz, Spectres, Prophecy, Phantasm, Swarm Mid - Spheres, Cicada, Aalea Eternitys - If were allowing custom changes, why would the staff choose to remove a very very good and highly accepted custom change such as barrels? Then on top of that, use the "it's livelike" excuse as a reason for removing them? If staff are so concerned about livelike and that's the direction the staff wish to go, I'd fully support a 100% livelike server. However if there are custom changes on the server, then using the "livelike" excuse is being nothing more then hypocritical. Staff - Locked!

Rhyniel Myrmidon Posts: 99 Joined: Feb 19, 2011 16:53	Reply with quote by Rhyniel » May 17, 2012 16:19 You only need 40pts (not 77) to spec 50 instru/44 weapon Rhyniel - Cleric <Symposium>

EternitySphere Myrmidon Posts: 134 Joined: Mar 25, 2010 01:00	Reply with quote by EternitySphere » May 17, 2012 19:57 Rhyniel wrote:You only need 40pts (not 77) to spec 50 instru/44 weapon Yeah that sounds right. Alb - Eternitys, Eternityz, Spectres, Prophecy, Phantasm, Swarm Mid - Spheres, Cicada, Aalea Eternitys - If were allowing custom changes, why would the staff choose to remove a very very good and highly accepted custom change such as barrels? Then on top of that, use the "it's livelike" excuse as a reason for removing them? If staff are so concerned about livelike and that's the direction the staff wish to go, I'd fully support a 100% livelike server. However if there are custom changes on the server, then using the "livelike" excuse is being nothing more then hypocritical. Staff - Locked!

imamizer Gryphon Knight Posts: 281 Joined: Mar 09, 2011 02:19	Reply with quote by imamizer » Jun 01, 2012 20:12 for 50 enst 44 weapon you need to AT till lvl 36, if that's your goal you dont need more points to train some more stealth. Becouse 25 stealth is impossible for you and less then 25 stealth has no use. the other options are; 50 enst 25 st (climb wall) 34 weapon (37 if you AT till 48) 50 enst 30 st (safe fall 3) 30 weapon (33 if you AT till 48) AT till 40 is not that hard. My choice was doing it till 40, using free single respec to train enst. then using respec stones before 44 and 48. even if you are broke, you can join dragon raids for stones after 40.

Atum Myrmidon Posts: 90 Joined: Sep 04, 2007 00:00	Reply with quote by Atum » Feb 16, 2013 22:28 bump so if i dont going to AT til 36 for being able to specc 50 44, the mins will be "gimped" @ grp-rvr? its kind of sad because w/o AT i dont have any chance to get 50 44 and it seems that the 44th style is important. Atum / Talmar Bellum Potentiae / Genesis / Bonzenverein / Morrigans Breath DAoC Log/Alb, Dm/Hib, Salis/Alb, Uth/Hib WoW Gorgonnash/Horde

imamizer Gryphon Knight Posts: 281 Joined: Mar 09, 2011 02:19	Reply with quote by imamizer » Feb 17, 2013 11:28 You don't have much chance to be invited by groups as a minstrel, you will be soloing and joining stealth groups most of the time. Go for 50/44 only if you have a stable guild setup. Would be gimped without 44 thrust? no, you still can cc/demez/rupt like crazy but if you are gooing for group spec 44 thrust is awsome to have in pocket.