If archery is working fine and scouts as well

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relvinian
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Postby relvinian » Jan 12, 2017 21:42

Why are there 776 people on alb and only 7 scouts?
https://www.uthgard.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=37632

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Postby Itz » Jan 12, 2017 22:01

because scouts suck in this setting

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Postby relvinian » Jan 12, 2017 22:12

six of 800 now
https://www.uthgard.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=37632

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Postby Thalien » Jan 12, 2017 23:07

well nobody said scouts are fine in this setting. And i guess around 70% of possible scout players are still xping their farming toons.
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Postby Ardri » Jan 13, 2017 20:33

There's nothing you can do because there's no "evidence" from 2003. People simply won't play archers.
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Postby Rhcrow » Jan 13, 2017 21:39

I mained a scout back on Gaheris for a few years. Honestly I am bummed that archery is so gimped in this patch level. I still havent decided if I will roll an inf or minst
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Postby Eshen » Jan 14, 2017 23:19

Haven't played a scout here on Uthgard 2.0, but I have played one before the archery changes. I think they are ok, but obviously you are missing a lot of stuff that Hunters and Rangers get from their spell line.
Still, I think Scouts have the tools to be effective.
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Postby rza11 » Jan 15, 2017 19:15

Because if I'm rolling an archer in 1.65, with no buff bots - it's going to be a Ranger.

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Postby TheRealDexis » Jan 15, 2017 21:21

Rhcrow wrote:I mained a scout back on Gaheris for a few years. Honestly I am bummed that archery is so gimped in this patch level. I still havent decided if I will roll an inf or minst


why exactly are scouts gimped on this patch?

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Postby Eshen » Jan 16, 2017 00:29

TheRealDexis wrote:
Rhcrow wrote:I mained a scout back on Gaheris for a few years. Honestly I am bummed that archery is so gimped in this patch level. I still havent decided if I will roll an inf or minst


why exactly are scouts gimped on this patch?

No buff bots and no self buffs, other than that they are fine.
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Postby pweet » Jan 16, 2017 00:33

they suck because of see hidden. Assasins can see you from miles away and just PA you to death.
Self-buffs are overrated, just use DQ charge and a dex pot and you will be fine dmg wise.

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Postby Caldrian » Jan 16, 2017 10:12

pweet wrote:just use DQ charge


"just" get a dragon or evern drop item that the whole server wants... as a scout on top of that, good luck, see you in a year :lol:

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Postby onizukasensei » Jan 16, 2017 14:25

IMO Scouts are not as bad as people describe them to be.
Obviously a Scout (buffed or Unbuffed ) vs similarly (buffed or Unbuffed ) SB/NS will lose if Assassin open's first, its not flash news!

Scouts and ranged stealth classes in general are not there to be a bane against everyone.
They serve a different purpose in the RvR scene.

In general, there is a trend going on in the forums, "telling" to people to not create specific classes because they lack utility / dps / RAs and the list goes on.
This is something bad, because it eliminates diversity in the character community and you simply end up seeing the same classes over and over.

Back on topic, all classes will face hard moments and will lose with hands down against their counter classes, but this doesn't mean that there won't be good and rewarding moments as well.

Scouts just need to be played with a different mind than the one of an Assassin.
Obviously you can't expect to roam straight ahead into Stealth areas and expect to be ok.
Even if you manage to overcome and outskill an Assassin, most likely another one will jump on you as you fight / kite / escape.

Personally I find Scouts to be excellent tag chars for stealth duos and more than ok as a solo class.

I can elaborate more on why they are good at what they do, but it will just add more to this wall of text.

Just my 2cents.

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Postby Rhcrow » Jan 16, 2017 18:24

I still will end up trying a scout. I mained a scout on Gareth for a few years and love the class. I love that Uthgard has the old style archery.

I've just spoken with some scouts on Uth 2.0 at lvl 20 saying they are in full OJ/Yellow SC gear and have trouble soloing blues. I know I don't know their spec and if they were ATing Longbow or not.

I just wish there was some more concrete information on the state of the scout.
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Postby Puchu » Jan 16, 2017 19:05

Reason i dont roll a Scout is the lack of the MOS realm ability, what means easy pray for assasin classes. PvE wise I played Scout on classic servers and with yellow/orange spellcrafted gear ,buffpotions on the right mobs i feeled like a Necromancer with arrows.

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