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Postby Volkwin » Jul 08, 2011 10:18

Hello Comunity!

I have created a Norse Runemaster and I wonder how much Augmented Dextery I should spec for the best casting speed, which is low caped at 40% of the spelldelve.

Aug Dex4 or Aug Dex5?

Same question for Aug Acurity and MoM if there is any cap dmg.

Edit: I spent 15 pts on Dex and 10 pts on Piety

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Magicco
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Postby Magicco » Jul 08, 2011 11:56

Just take the formular and u will see that Aug Dex is more or less useless

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Postby pweet » Jul 08, 2011 12:03

where did u get those infos about a low cap? i highly doubt that and as a norse caster hmm as a norse caster hmm i think u cant reach any casting time cap :D

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Postby Artefact » Jul 08, 2011 12:53

thought speed cast cap was 1sec.

u can reach it with NS actually nothg more ^^
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Postby Razzer » Jul 08, 2011 13:18

The modifier is capped at 0,4 so yes there is a cap at 40%*delvespeed.
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Postby Volkwin » Jul 08, 2011 14:21

Aug Dex is useless? Why? And what is the formular? The most spec it.

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Postby pweet » Jul 08, 2011 14:27

Aug Dex is quiet good, accelerates ur spells a lot :roll:

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Postby Magicco » Jul 08, 2011 15:43

okay a guildy made calculation of the castspeed diferrence betweend Non-AugDex and AugDex (all time fully temped) but all in german

(calculations are
Casttime Multiplikator % = ((((100-((DEX-80)/6))*10)+0.5)/10)
Castspeed = (Delve / 100) * Casttime Multiplikator

i will bring the most things on one point
a cast with a 3.0seconds Delve lowers only with +75(temp) and a lvl 50 Casterchar with +10 Startpoints in Dexterty
to 2,56 Seconds Castspeed without Augmented Dexterity

same situation but this time with Aug3 lowers teh castspeed of 3.0 delve spell
to 2,45 Seconds Castspeed with Augmented Dexterity III

= so u cast 0,11 Seconds (110ms Seconds) faster with AugDexIII for 10 Realmpoints... A Waste of points in my opinion

The Cast difference between NO AugDex and AugDex V is about 0,26(260ms) Seconds in this example for 34 Realmpoints

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Postby pweet » Jul 08, 2011 16:31

I never used a forumla here and dont know if urs is correct, but anyway AugDex3 is 4.3% quicker cast rate then. Not too bad.

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Postby Magicco » Jul 08, 2011 17:54

You cant use augdex as a static percent amount
cause the amount of cast speed differs more complicated incresing dexterty (sorry for teh bad english^^)

i dont know if the formular is correct, but i think it is.
i dont feel a difference that is match-winning between no augdex and augdex3

every low lvl dex or dex/qui buff will stomp augdex into the ground^^ if ur solo spend the points somewhere else and use a dex bottle and dex/qui charge^^

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Postby jalore » Jul 08, 2011 18:02

My kobbie runemaster jalora has full dex at creation, cap item dex, with aug dex 3. here is with 50 aug shaman with red dex and dex/quick buffs.




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Postby Magicco » Jul 08, 2011 18:06

huh? ^^ and back 2 topic^^?

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Postby jalore » Jul 08, 2011 18:22

I was using my rune master as an example of max dex usage when using race ie kobold, with max dex creation, max item dex, max buff dex and what looks like with aug dex 3 so have an example of what they get when using a dex class verses a average stat class. It does allow me to cast very fast. my best spell nearsight is at one second nukes are not far behind.
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Postby Volkwin » Jul 09, 2011 14:17

Magicco wrote:okay a guildy made calculation of the castspeed diferrence betweend Non-AugDex and AugDex (all time fully temped) but all in german

(calculations are
Casttime Multiplikator % = ((((100-((DEX-80)/6))*10)+0.5)/10)
Castspeed = (Delve / 100) * Casttime Multiplikator

i will bring the most things on one point
a cast with a 3.0seconds Delve lowers only with +75(temp) and a lvl 50 Casterchar with +10 Startpoints in Dexterty
to 2,56 Seconds Castspeed without Augmented Dexterity

same situation but this time with Aug3 lowers teh castspeed of 3.0 delve spell
to 2,45 Seconds Castspeed with Augmented Dexterity III

= so u cast 0,11 Seconds (110ms Seconds) faster with AugDexIII for 10 Realmpoints... A Waste of points in my opinion

The Cast difference between NO AugDex and AugDex V is about 0,26(260ms) Seconds in this example for 34 Realmpoints


260 ms is really bad for 48 points :/ Imagine there is a server lag or something like this!

This makes me think about specing something else instead.

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Postby fiskgrodan » Jul 09, 2011 15:59

Cast speed cap is 40% of the spells delve speed. A dark rm 2.8 spec nukes cast speed cap would be 0.4 * 2.8s = 1.12s, cast speed cap for nearsight is 0.4 * 2s = 0.8s etc. (It is impossible to reach this limit on Uthgard.)

A norseman rm (gimp, reroll :lol:) with 15 dex at start, 75 dex in template, red base dex and yellow dex/qui buff has 295 dex at lvl 50. He will cast his 2.8 delve spec nuke in ~1.75s. With aug dex 3 he will get 22 more dex and cast the spec nuke in ~1.65s. Thats approximately 0.1s faster which results in ~6% more dps, (also drains ~6% more power per second). Not so bad compared to wp 3, mom 3 and aug acu 3.

The cast speed also improves the utility spells like nearsight and root and makes it harder to get interrupted.

For dps mainly casters its good to get a balanced split between aug dex, wp, mom and aug acu. A general guideline for a dark rm would be to get aug dex 3 then raise wp > mom > aug acu in that order, aug acu is slightly less important and can lag behind a little in levels. (Personally i like high wp for dark rms).

For high utility and occasional dps caster (f.e. sorcs) its prefered to prioritize aug dex over the wp, mom and aug acu.
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