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Lionardo
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Postby Lionardo » Aug 13, 2009 17:10

We will see in a couple of months, how my thane is doing his job.
And we will talk after this :D
Regards!
P.S : thanks foy your answers guys!

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Postby Dragot » Aug 13, 2009 19:35

I see 2 possible ways for my thane

50 hammer 50 stormcalling Rest in Parry / 46 Hammer 48 Storm 37 Parry
(this i played a longe time ago on live - i would prefer it more but i don't know how good it works on Uth)

or

50 Hammer 42 Shield 38 Storm 10 parry


Which one of these do you think are playable on Uthgard. And does DD work on uthgard for Thane?

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Postby kikoo » Aug 13, 2009 19:50

Dragot wrote:50 Hammer 42 Shield 38 Storm 10 parry

Slam is priceless IMO, so I would go for this one. The other should be workable with a high rank.

Dragot wrote:And does DD work on uthgard for Thane?

Of course.
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Postby jrhadden » Aug 18, 2009 11:15

hmm

42shield, 50 Storm 39 Hammer rest parry.

50 Hammer doesnt really offer big styles. And the dmg of 39+11 to 50+11 is rather small. While 50 Storm makes the difference.

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Postby Dragot » Aug 18, 2009 14:10

should 42 Shield 48 Storm 42 hammer not works better?

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Postby jrhadden » Aug 18, 2009 15:49

As i said on uth you spec into weapons to reduce variance and to get styles.
With 42 or 39 Hammer you already have low variance and the same style.
The melee damage difference is very low between both specs.
50 storm gives you a red str/con buff to push your melee dmg...


Believe or not. Single respec aint expensive especially when u do RvR. Just try some specs. And i am sure you ll end up here again :)

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Postby Dragot » Aug 23, 2009 02:07

How important is tho have stormcalling over 50 - what are the real benefits?

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Postby Respite » Aug 23, 2009 03:34

actually a thane is supperior to a warrior atm, u have to take a look at wut they can do, same thing as a warrior minus the stoicism... BUT you get a pet killer ae insta to clear theurg pets.

so u get slam
snare styles
self buffs
self DA
pet killers
WAY better ranged dmg then warrior
ae ranged(fun for sieges)

so if you really look at it a thane really isnt bad for groups just need to know wut they can do for the loss of about 15 seconds mez time 18 root time and not a whole lot different for stuns....

then lets look at RA's its the same for the passives, kewl
and u get better clicky abilities like wrath and ST.

just what im thinken

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Postby hopscotsch » Aug 23, 2009 11:41

Respite wrote:actually a thane is supperior to a warrior atm, u have to take a look at wut they can do, same thing as a warrior minus the stoicism... BUT you get a pet killer ae insta to clear theurg pets.

so u get slam
snare styles
self buffs
self DA
pet killers
WAY better ranged dmg then warrior
ae ranged(fun for sieges)

so if you really look at it a thane really isnt bad for groups just need to know wut they can do for the loss of about 15 seconds mez time 18 root time and not a whole lot different for stuns....

then lets look at RA's its the same for the passives, kewl
and u get better clicky abilities like wrath and ST.

just what im thinken

Warriors got alot higher weapon skill and more hp as well. Higher chance to hit hammer backsnare and more damage etc. and 15+18 sec less CC is a huge advantage. (even though thanes can cast DD during root).

Thanes are better for battlegrounds and siege fights.
Warriors are better for agramon.

That is my opinion on 1.80 uthgard thanes.

Thanes got a very nice boost in 1.82 in casting range and casting speeds and lvl 50 doomhammer and energy debuffs which made thanes awesome soloers. But this was after the 1.81 main tank buffs so warriors were still on par in fgs.

The Thane, Friar, Warden love patch: http://www.camelotherald.com/article.php?id=407

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Postby Dragot » Aug 23, 2009 14:39

Dragot wrote:How important is tho have stormcalling over 50 - what are the real benefits?


can someone answer to my question please

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Postby nixian » Aug 23, 2009 14:41

not much to have it over 50.. it gives a slight dmg increase but not much significant

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Postby hopscotsch » Aug 23, 2009 15:07

Dragot wrote:
Dragot wrote:How important is tho have stormcalling over 50 - what are the real benefits?


can someone answer to my question please


"Not usefull at all(+11sc is about 5 extra dmg per nuke), piety and dex will yield more dmg (and higher chance to block, parry and land slam as well as more power)."

http://daoc.catacombs.com/forum.cfm?ThreadKey=10853&DefMessage=1362940&forum=48

Maybe go to some instant 50 server and experiment with and without free +11 skill items.

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Postby kikoo » Aug 23, 2009 19:44

Indeed, stormcalling points beyond 50 will slighly increase spells damage floor, nothing more. The self buffs values remain the same. So it's not that important, although thanes usually specialize stormcalling to 50 to get the red str/con buff and can easily bring additionnal points in it.

Remember as piety is caped, and as hybrid classes do not benefit from acuity buff, there's no other way to increase spell damages, even if the benefit is very little.

On a side note, I re-discovered my thane since the shield block fix, and I really enjoy the gameplay. I would not say it's better or worse than a warrior, they just have different purposes. I believe thane is perfect to bodyguard healers or casters, that's where he seems to be the best at.

The problem is that thanes have bad reputation because of some idiots who cast mjollnir over a mezzed crowd, and want to play this class as a damage dealer, which he is certainly not.
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Postby Loul » Aug 23, 2009 19:51

hopscotsch wrote:Warriors got alot higher weapon skill and more hp as well.


Heavy tanks have like 50 hp more than light tanks do on Uthgard.

hopscotsch wrote:The Thane, Friar, Warden love patch: http://www.camelotherald.com/article.php?id=407


That one would be most welcome (and I don't play any of the 3 classes) =)

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Postby Respite » Aug 23, 2009 23:47

Warriors got alot higher weapon skill and more hp as well. Higher chance to hit hammer backsnare and more damage etc. and 15+18 sec less CC is a huge advantage.



not sure you read wut i said correctly bud. i said 15 secs for a mez and 18 for a root, that means your going to lose about 7-8 secs for not being a warrior. Thats just through Stoicism loses but you can also pick up purge if u like and tbh if your not a horrible player its not hard to break on inc to avoid blanket mez and late game mezzes can be cured very easily in mid, since u run multiple mez cure classes.

the HP I agree with Lou its not going to be a whole lot of difference, Yes the weapon skill being lower is a slight problem but due to the enormous benefit to the group and the peeling job I think its very acceptable.

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