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Hedra
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Postby Hedra » Jun 04, 2010 14:47

The cap is 40%. 2 seconds cap ? lol, even an half ogre would cast faster than this already :D

On TOA servers you could reach this cap with 386 dext and 10% casting speed bonus. I doubt you can reach this on uthgard.

And the calculator is correct by the way ^^
I am assuming direct control.

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Postby Zappo » Jun 04, 2010 15:22

i kinda dont get it Hedra.
40% hardcap so you need 307 dex to hardcap every spell?
(which every kobi/luri/sara kinda caps by wearing sc armor?)
sounds in first very easy
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Postby Jarysa » Jun 04, 2010 15:23

Zappo wrote:i kinda dont get it Hedra.
40% hardcap so you need 307 dex to hardcap every spell?
(which every kobi/luri/sara kinda caps by wearing sc armor?)
sounds in first very easy


It´s 40% of delve speed <=> 60% reduction

That´s way more then 307 dex.

Iceer wrote:
Jarysa wrote:There is no 2 second cap on casts.

Where do you get that bullshit from?


http://web.archive.org/web/200310012012 ... aster.html

Mastery of the Art Passive N/A 1 3 6 10 14 Augmented Acuity 3

Additional 3% per level casting speed when casting spells. Please note that the minimum allowed spell casting timer is 2 seconds – this ability will not allow you to go below this hard cap.



Jarysa wrote:That calc is rather likely to use the same or at least a very similar formula as uthgard.


I think not

Edit: Johannah was faster :oops:


arnius wrote:
Jarysa wrote:There is no 2 second cap on casts.

Where do you get that bullshit from?




<img src="http://motivateurself.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/implied-facepalm.jpg">


I´d really like to rant about how awesome you are to not have noticed people casting faster then 2seconds in allmost 10 years and how you should STFU when you know ****** and talk to someone who knows better, but i guess you allready did make a pretty good job at making yourselves look like idiots.

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Postby Hedra » Jun 04, 2010 15:29

Zappo wrote:i kinda dont get it Hedra.
40% hardcap so you need 307 dex to hardcap every spell?
(which every kobi/luri/sara kinda caps by wearing sc armor?)
sounds in first very easy

The cap is 40% of the base cast time. For example, for a 3.0 spell, the cap is 3.0 * 0.4 = 1.2 seconds.
To reach that cap without any % casting speed you need something like 410 dext.
I am assuming direct control.

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Postby Iceer » Jun 04, 2010 15:36

Humm, i just wanna know if MoA is worth to spec high when you just need 1 or 2 to reach the castcap, because MoA dont go below 2 seconds.

Does Kobold, 15 base dex, red d/q and MoA2 is enough for capping speed (cap meaning as possible as uthgard can go)?

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Postby Zappo » Jun 04, 2010 15:41

okok now i got it, i need to reach 60% in the calc, not 40% :)

Iceer wrote:Humm, i just wanna know if MoA is worth to spec [...] because MoA dont go below 2 seconds.


ye i think this is the right question ^^

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Postby Iceer » Jun 04, 2010 15:46

Yea, it seems that i have to find the right combination between Mastery of the Arts and augmented Dexterity :D

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Postby Hedra » Jun 04, 2010 15:53

If MOA has no effect when you cast already faster than 2 seconds, then it's plenty useless for anyone with buffs. Imo it's just a mistake, the cap could be 1 second, not 2 seconds.

You will probably need high MOA and high aug dex to reach the cap. It will also depend on your shaman/healer because they can spec mastery of the arcane.
I am assuming direct control.

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Postby Iceer » Jun 04, 2010 15:55

Does Mastery of the Arcane still influences Buffs when Augmentation line is 50?

If yes, good to know!

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Postby Hedra » Jun 04, 2010 16:04

Yes, when you have 50 augmentation, buffs give base value * 1.25.
With mastery of the arcane 3 for example, it will be base value * 1.25 * 1.09.

The cap is +62 for base buffs, and +93 for spec buffs. I think no buff reaches those caps without mastery of the arcane or TOA bonus.
I am assuming direct control.

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Postby Jarysa » Jun 04, 2010 16:07

ok, one last time.

THERE IS NO 2 SECOND CAP FOR CASTS. NEITHER FOR CASTING SPEED NOR FOR MotA. THE HERALD IS WRONG.

and yes MotArcane will increase buffs even if you´re 50 aug spec.

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Postby Lev » Jun 04, 2010 16:23

Jarysa wrote:ok, one last time.

THERE IS NO 2 SECOND CAP FOR CASTS. NEITHER FOR CASTING SPEED NOR FOR MotA. THE HERALD IS WRONG.

and yes MotArcane will increase buffs even if you´re 50 aug spec.


perfectly...
it was clear that such a case will come up with OF RA which you can't test nowhere anymore:
there's written facts on the official site from this time and there's veterans who know otherwise.

believe the veterans or take the facts as rules
this is the problem the staff has to face.

or is there any written facts to back up the veterans?

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Postby Sordak » Jun 04, 2010 16:36

Lev wrote:
Jarysa wrote:ok, one last time.

THERE IS NO 2 SECOND CAP FOR CASTS. NEITHER FOR CASTING SPEED NOR FOR MotA. THE HERALD IS WRONG.

and yes MotArcane will increase buffs even if you´re 50 aug spec.


perfectly...
it was clear that such a case will come up with OF RA which you can't test nowhere anymore:
there's written facts on the official site from this time and there's veterans who know otherwise.

believe the veterans or take the facts as rules
this is the problem the staff has to face.

or is there any written facts to back up the veterans?



I found an old discussion about cast speed and MotA, none of them mentions a 2 second cap.

http://forums.freddyshouse.com/general- ... d-cap.html

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Postby Jarysa » Jun 04, 2010 16:39

Lev wrote:
Jarysa wrote:ok, one last time.

THERE IS NO 2 SECOND CAP FOR CASTS. NEITHER FOR CASTING SPEED NOR FOR MotA. THE HERALD IS WRONG.

and yes MotArcane will increase buffs even if you´re 50 aug spec.


perfectly...
it was clear that such a case will come up with OF RA which you can't test nowhere anymore:
there's written facts on the official site from this time and there's veterans who know otherwise.

believe the veterans or take the facts as rules
this is the problem the staff has to face.

or is there any written facts to back up the veterans?


http://camelotvault.ign.com/?dir=guides ... ent=shaman

at the very bottom

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Postby Maidrion » Jun 04, 2010 17:00

Lev wrote:
Jarysa wrote:ok, one last time.

THERE IS NO 2 SECOND CAP FOR CASTS. NEITHER FOR CASTING SPEED NOR FOR MotA. THE HERALD IS WRONG.

and yes MotArcane will increase buffs even if you´re 50 aug spec.


perfectly...
it was clear that such a case will come up with OF RA which you can't test nowhere anymore:
there's written facts on the official site from this time and there's veterans who know otherwise.

believe the veterans or take the facts as rules
this is the problem the staff has to face.

or is there any written facts to back up the veterans?


What facts? Some archaïc archived website that offers only one line of descriptions and is even flawed?

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