Luydor wrote:Heho,

The Savage get in some why fixed, that was ok. The problem it have at the moment is just that 2h2 is counted as one weapon and the defense reduce isn't working correctly. High weapons skill doesn't reduce the defense, so a savage get blocked out by a guard and even have problems with a cleric which face the savage.

Greetz Luydor

wich is absolutly correct. the part of not hitting a cleric is a lot of exeggeration while beeing sheared and stat debuffed by sorcs to hell. so nothing wrong here in classic times a good guarder screwed entire savage zergs

well, on live weapon skill lowered enemy defenses. Which is not the case here. On live old classic times a 3 svg assist could kill any target no matter if a superb guard tank was there, while here they deal like no dmg.... so no it is not correct here.

ya, there is a reason they added bodyguard, and its not because guard would shut down an assist train on live before TOA.


Hero trains were viable. 2H and all!

holsten-knight wrote:well, on live weapon skill lowered enemy defenses. Which is not the case here. On live old classic times a 3 svg assist could kill any target no matter if a superb guard tank was there, while here they deal like no dmg.... so no it is not correct here.

thank you. i also remember that (logres-> merciless&co) and just wondered why here are no active svgs.

While it is true that WS lowered the def, Savage is on a very low weapon table, and even with WS he will not hit targets that are guarded by a tank with high WS often.

Asloan wrote:While it is true that WS lowered the def, Savage is on a very low weapon table, and even with WS he will not hit targets that are guarded by a tank with high WS often.

Savage is on one of the highest tables when using h2h actually, although on uthgard they are incorrectly on the same table as Thanes.

Force wrote:

Asloan wrote:While it is true that WS lowered the def, Savage is on a very low weapon table, and even with WS he will not hit targets that are guarded by a tank with high WS often.

Savage is on one of the highest tables when using h2h actually, although on uthgard they are incorrectly on the same table as Thanes.

hum I'd be love to see the proof of this affirmation

Artefact wrote:

Force wrote:

Asloan wrote:While it is true that WS lowered the def, Savage is on a very low weapon table, and even with WS he will not hit targets that are guarded by a tank with high WS often.

Savage is on one of the highest tables when using h2h actually, although on uthgard they are incorrectly on the same table as Thanes.

hum I'd be love to see the proof of this affirmation

then you should look for one of the many posts where its already been provided

Lol Force, it was tested on live, because before they were on the Offtank table where they are NOT supposed to be. There were screens provided from live, where they had a certain amount of dex/str, and the same on Uth. After the fix which put their Weapontable way down, it was correct. Before they had 400 WS to much. And now i would really like you to provide solid proof that this fix was wrong.

Svg is the only class that dealed 1000dmg with a nice hit on my bard (yes with specc af up), so this must be true, they need dmg increase love !!!!

All I got to say to the power of quadruple (hits) swings

shade wrote:So them dwarf savages invented quadruple hits? So us keen shades invented quadruple evades!

http://uthgard.net/index.php?option=com ... 32&t=23316

Asloan wrote:Lol Force, it was tested on live, because before they were on the Offtank table where they are NOT supposed to be.

There are two tables for savage on live, not one. Same with reaver, theyre on a different table when using h2h/flex instead of slash/thrust/crush/hammer/sword/axe. According to blue they are on the same table here as thanes. On live thanes were a table down from the table savages were on when using hammer/sword/axe, so yes uthgard's tables are as broken as the rest of the mechanics here.


there is plenty of proof look around yourself.

Sonic1982 wrote:Svg is the only class that dealed 1000dmg with a nice hit on my bard (yes with specc af up), so this must be true, they need dmg increase love !!!!

that's because defense penetration is broken so zerkers have no reason to go 2H + vendo. otherwise you'd be taking 1K a round at cap speed from them.

@ Force

http://dethguild.com/daoc/info/information.html#anchor8

according to this, they still will have a lot more problems to penetrate defense then a Berserk. Lower WS and not beeing DW means you get blocked a lot vs. a def char like Hero.

Asloan wrote:@ Force

http://dethguild.com/daoc/info/information.html#anchor8

according to this, they still will have a lot more problems to penetrate defense then a Berserk. Lower WS and not beeing DW means you get blocked a lot vs. a def char like Hero.

Zerk using LA has the most penetration so everything is blocked more relative to that.

But the savage with h2h is still on one of the highest tables and is able to reduce defense rates whereas on uthgard they get nothing.