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Melodexx
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Postby Melodexx » Dec 07, 2009 02:36

dont know if i like slam on uth
so much people laag 100 miles away that its more disturbing on a MA

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Postby Sveya » Dec 07, 2009 13:11

50 weapon has no advantage. Only Pierce/Blade/Blunt Styles would do more damage, which you shouldn't use anyway.

Every good BM should spec Shield for Slam.

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Postby danteafk » Jan 02, 2010 05:52

why pierce ? blade +dmg on mid tanks.

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Postby Zarkor » Jan 02, 2010 13:40

danteafk wrote:why pierce ? blade +dmg on mid tanks.


Pierce got +dmg on Mid supporters, Alb supporters, Alb tanks.

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Postby Der_Eisbaer » Jan 02, 2010 14:18

Zarkor wrote:
danteafk wrote:why pierce ? blade +dmg on mid tanks.


Pierce got +dmg on Mid supporters, Alb supporters, Alb tanks.


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Postby Rasta » Jan 02, 2010 14:24

and skalds! mincers etc

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Postby Eclipsed » Jan 02, 2010 21:00

If you pick pierc on a BM, exept having less WS/Dmg because you get more str, then dex per level and when it comes to pierc its 50/50. But a good thing about pierc , is that its only nerf by 50% compared to str based weapons , if str/con debuffed by an assasin.

Vulnrable Table
Albion ------------ Neu to Slash

Armsman - Crush
Paladin - Crush
Friar - Crush
Infi - Crush

Cleric - Thrust
Merc - Thrust
Minstr - Thrust
Scout - Thrust
Reaver - Thrust


Midgard ----------- Neu to Crush

Zerker - Slash
Hunter - Slash
SB - Slash
Savage - Slash

Healer - Thrust
Shaman - Thrust
SKald - Thrust
Thane - Thrust
Warrior - Thrust

If your target isnt neu or vulnarable, it will be 10% resistant to it. Exept cloth, which is neu on all realms/classes.

So as you can see blades will be neu to 9 alb classes, Vulrable to 4 mid classes and resistant to 5 mid classes.

While Thrust is neu to none, exept cloth, Vulrable to 5 albs and 5 mids and resistant to 4 albs and 4 mid classes.

So in a sense they are balanced in what you want to choose, going by resist/vul/neu. So just remember, alb = neu slash, mid = neu crush, and hib is neu thrust and if your target isnt vulnrable, then he is resistant, exept cloth.
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Postby ntc » Jan 06, 2010 17:50

50/50, if u want slam make a hero. you are wasting dps.

I would go slash, the classes you need to down quickly on this server are savages and zerkers, they are the real dmg output...

If you plan on soloing or something, maybe that slam spec is viable, but a BMs role in a group is high dps very quickly (basically the charge duration), switching weapons/slamming is a waste and frontload is for heros...

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Postby Satz » Jan 06, 2010 17:56

exactly.. as a bm you dont really need slam in 8vs8

A merc need slam because they do not have a backsnare so they need it to catch up to their targets. But bms got backsnare + sidestun with a high dps sidechain, therefore you dont really need to rely on shield, just catch up to your target with charge and then hit backsnare reducing the chances for your enemy to run away towards zero.

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Postby Zarkor » Jan 06, 2010 18:10

As long as you use the CD styles and have your weapons spec on a composite spec of 51 or above you lose ZERO damage.

So far for the damage argument.


Now arguing that having no slam is better than having slam even though you do the same DPS is simply a waste of time because having slam of course is better.

If you refuse to believe that, good for you, but to any doubters out there, don't make the same mistake they are.

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Postby ntc » Jan 06, 2010 18:28

yea and if you only use CD sytles your wasting a lot of dps, some of the hardest hitting styles for a BM are slash styles...

you do not need shield as a BM, you have charge and snares (and a stun), nothing should be away from you unless your a bad player....

i played mine pierce to rr6, and then slash to 9, but that was on live, slash is more viable here given mid light tanks are the only classes that seem to put out good dps and need to be downed quickly...

you can slam a charged zerker as many times as you want though, will help you win fights..

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Postby Maidrion » Jan 06, 2010 18:40

ntc wrote:yea and if you only use CD sytles your wasting a lot of dps, some of the hardest hitting styles for a BM are slash styles...

you do not need shield as a BM, you have charge and snares (and a stun), nothing should be away from you unless your a bad player....

i played mine pierce to rr6, and then slash to 9, but that was on live, slash is more viable here given mid light tanks are the only classes that seem to put out good dps and need to be downed quickly...

you can slam a charged zerker as many times as you want though, will help you win fights..


What? Slam is so useful any bm should spec it. Yea sure you can catch up with your target with snares and charge but if you can slam you can unleash side chain aswell. You can drop slams on nearby supporters, you can slam SM pets (not that SMs rvr here but :p), you can slam a guarder, slam pets of your grpmembers, you have decent block rate if you get trained yourself.

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Postby Zarkor » Jan 06, 2010 18:50

ntc wrote:yea and if you only use CD sytles your wasting a lot of dps, some of the hardest hitting styles for a BM are slash styles...

you do not need shield as a BM, you have charge and snares (and a stun), nothing should be away from you unless your a bad player....

i played mine pierce to rr6, and then slash to 9, but that was on live, slash is more viable here given mid light tanks are the only classes that seem to put out good dps and need to be downed quickly...

you can slam a charged zerker as many times as you want though, will help you win fights..


One thing you need to keep in mind here ntc, a huge part of your live RVR experience has got no relevance to Uthgard RvR. The setting Uthgard is using is entirely custom and that's not to mention the possibility of slight differences in codes and rates...

Uthgard's RvR is Uthgard's RvR. Having a shield on BM here is 100% the best way of speccing your BM.

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Postby ntc » Jan 06, 2010 19:10

you can just as easily side stun all of that as well, and its an opening style for a good chain, you are not switching weapons and wasting dps....you are supporting your arguement with stunning SM pets??? rofl

your job as a BM is not to peel pets, that is a druids job, or caster even...your job as a BM is to kill people quickly, or peel tank trains off support/casters, but you do it with style chains, not a 40 dmg slam

as for defense, if you get trained pop rr5 and call it a day, or charge away, depending on CC, you dont need to charge on inc every fight lol, it can be used defensively as well.

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Postby Zarkor » Jan 06, 2010 19:53

ntc wrote:you can just as easily side stun all of that as well


No, you just can't. If not for the duration it takes before you actually land the side style then for the duration of the actual stun, both are way easier AND more effective with slam. You do not hand in damage, the old styles Uthgard uses mean that the best styles are in your Celtic Dual line anyway. Not to mention that peeling off tank trains by killing them is a lot easier if you can land 2 side chains while the tank in question can not parry/block/evade any attack simply because he's still stunned. If you want to snare them then nothing prevents you from leaving your shield untouched.

About the time it takes to switch.. I switch shield and lefthand weapon in MAX 0.5 seconds, hardly any slower than switching normally. If you can't/don't want to get used to manually swapping then that's your choice but claiming this is a reason not to go shield is simply false.

Anyway if you still don't get it after this I'm leaving it, act stubborn all you like. :)

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