give bm's a 4.2 pierce main hand!

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Postby Melodexx » Jan 09, 2010 05:18

reroll a zerker/merc atm xD

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Postby Camulos » Jan 09, 2010 11:04

The item has been fixed, there should not be any 4.2 weapons anymore. IF you encounter one, please report it.

About the SI zones: Not going to happen in the near future. Just live with it.

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Postby Akip » Jan 09, 2010 12:59

but why ?

i mean i can understand that you say ok we cant do clases couz we need programmer there,
but si is mostly wordlbuild and we would have enough gms for that or ?
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Postby dinj » Jan 09, 2010 17:02

Ever tried Tajendi2? Its nearly the same as Galladoria. We dont need Galladoria imho.
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Postby Zarkor » Jan 09, 2010 17:05

dinj wrote:Ever tried Tajendi2? Its nearly the same as Galladoria. We dont need Galladoria imho.


Except for the fact that Galladoria DOES offer a 4.2 piercer, yea... ^^

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Postby Rasta » Jan 13, 2010 14:34

omg, so rather than actually getting a 4.2 piercer,
i have contributed to having the only 4.2 piercer taken away!?!?
well, balderdash!

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Postby nixian » Jan 13, 2010 14:50

Rasta wrote:omg, so rather than actually getting a 4.2 piercer,
i have contributed to having the only 4.2 piercer taken away!?!?
well, balderdash!


the fix was made looong before you made your post due to a report from me about its proc being the wrong resist type ;) so don't feel so bad about yourself :P blame me :P

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Postby Camulos » Jan 13, 2010 17:06

Rasta wrote:omg, so rather than actually getting a 4.2 piercer,
i have contributed to having the only 4.2 piercer taken away!?!?
well, balderdash!

It was a bugged item, so you did not help taking away something, but finally fixing a well known bug. Thats all. It should have been fixed using a DB update a long time ago...

Thanks.
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Postby Zarkor » Jan 13, 2010 17:51

Camulos wrote:
Rasta wrote:omg, so rather than actually getting a 4.2 piercer,
i have contributed to having the only 4.2 piercer taken away!?!?
well, balderdash!

It was a bugged item, so you did not help taking away something, but finally fixing a well known bug. Thats all. It should have been fixed using a DB update a long time ago...

Thanks.
Camulos


To be quite honest here, the fact that that Dragon piercer has a 2.4 speed value is actually quite ridiculous and VERY likely to be a bug in the first place. If Hibernia wasn't ment to have options on 4.2 spd piercers, they woulnd't have added one in Galladoria when SI came out and the fact that it's 2.4 instead of say 2.6 speed only adds up to the possibility of it being a bug.

Now along the line of the change related to the unstealthing of players by pets, I think adding 'fixing' the Soul Glimmer to have a 4.2 delay instead of a 2.4 would be a perfectly reasonable decision, since it is also a custom bugfix of an obvious bug by Mythic.

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Postby Rasta » Jan 13, 2010 19:05

i personally dont see why we cant have 4.2 speed piercers. it is not in any forms of the word "overpowered".

(following the formula of lfrig, if i whine enough i might get some change!! :D)

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Postby Camulos » Jan 13, 2010 20:02

Zarkor wrote:
Camulos wrote:
Rasta wrote:omg, so rather than actually getting a 4.2 piercer,
i have contributed to having the only 4.2 piercer taken away!?!?
well, balderdash!

It was a bugged item, so you did not help taking away something, but finally fixing a well known bug. Thats all. It should have been fixed using a DB update a long time ago...

Thanks.
Camulos


To be quite honest here, the fact that that Dragon piercer has a 2.4 speed value is actually quite ridiculous and VERY likely to be a bug in the first place. If Hibernia wasn't ment to have options on 4.2 spd piercers, they woulnd't have added one in Galladoria when SI came out and the fact that it's 2.4 instead of say 2.6 speed only adds up to the possibility of it being a bug.

Now along the line of the change related to the unstealthing of players by pets, I think adding 'fixing' the Soul Glimmer to have a 4.2 delay instead of a 2.4 would be a perfectly reasonable decision, since it is also a custom bugfix of an obvious bug by Mythic.

Well, nice theory of your's. But that's it - a theory.
I stick to the fact that the weapon has a 2.4 speed and wasn't changed in one of the official patches.

No need for a "custom improvement" on a weapon. If we would do so, it would be opening pandora's box for other item "improvements".

Not going to happen (and 100% out of discussion).

@Rasta
Well, i am 100% sure albion and midgard have some items they want to be improved too.

About the formula: The only result will be that you will get onto the staffs nerves...if thats your goal, go Zarkor's way... :roll:

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Postby Zarkor » Jan 13, 2010 23:14

The fact that it's not open for discussion I'll accept, but saying that it would open the pandora's box is just not true. The fact of the matter is that the box is already wide open. Custom weapon or not. Besides it's not about being custom to be customn it's about fixing what you think was a bug by Mythic.

In the end it really doesn't matter since you are the ones calling shots, whatever community demands (even when they have every rational argument on their side *sigh* :P).

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Postby Camulos » Jan 14, 2010 07:52

You do not have valid arguments, you have one theory out of many possible. It could also be that Mythic did want the weapon exactly the way it was implemented.

Since we do not know that for sure and i will not open up the pandoras box for item changes (i am talking about items - nothing more) there will be no fix.

I kinow, you won't accept the reasons of this decision but continue trying to prove that you are right and the staff just makes decisions without considering your perfect arguments, but well...i am used to that.

Just leave it.

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Postby Zarkor » Jan 14, 2010 14:14

Camulos wrote:It could also be that Mythic did want the weapon exactly the way it was implemented.


I said I accepted that you won't change it. That doesn't mean I can't keep discussing your arguments right?

What you said above can be perfectly applied to "It could also be that Mythic did want pets to destealth stealthers.". The fact even is, that a grabbag stated that it was indeed a feature.


Hence, that argument is worth nothing. That's why I mean by the box is already wide open in general, maybe not specificly for items, even though there's a LOT of custom items ingame already...

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Postby Rasta » Jan 14, 2010 14:37

let's keep this argument on topic please lads ::
the issue, is that slash can get 4.2, crush can get 4.2, and pierce only 3.9.
this is not only biased against pierce, but also unfair. There is nothing uber about pierce spec, its just damned anoying how your limiting our possible damage output.

As you probably know, BM's are a bit of a joke dps wise as a light tank, zerks/savages constantly rip up hibernia support and a mid tank train drops a "random" (read no 2x rr7+ druids with bof) hib group in under a minute.

So if you can see BM is a bit of a joke damage wise, give us the opportunity to have a slower weapon! its certainly unbalanced that a zerker can use 2x 4.2 speed weapons, when we're stuck with crappy 3.9.

Do a poll if you need any verification!
"Do blademasters on average make ****** damage?"
"Should this be compensated by introducing a slower pierce weapon"?

i can bet you almost everyone would answer "yes" to these questions.


The point of a blademaster is to push hard on enemy support, yet its quite hard to drop anything quick with gimpy 3.9 pierce weaps. PLEASE sort it out.

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