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Neju
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Postby Neju » May 27, 2010 19:49

Power And Health Regeneration Rate Change

- We have increased the Health and Power regeneration rates at lower levels, to make leveling a more enjoyable experience for everyone. The increase is significant at lower levels and slowly rises back to its current state as you level your character.

- The penalty on power regeneration when power is below 50% has been removed.


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Postby Zarkor » May 27, 2010 19:53

Neju wrote:Power And Health Regeneration Rate Change

- We have increased the Health and Power regeneration rates at lower levels, to make leveling a more enjoyable experience for everyone. The increase is significant at lower levels and slowly rises back to its current state as you level your character.

- The penalty on power regeneration when power is below 50% has been removed.


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Postby Neju » May 27, 2010 19:56

very, that and no MoF will hurt casters alot.. but then tankspa, gets hurt alot also - so who knows :D
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Postby Zarkor » May 27, 2010 19:56

Neju wrote:very, that and no MoF will hurt casters alot.. but then tankspa, gets hurt alot also - so who knows :D


Aye, true.

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Postby Ronian » May 27, 2010 21:53

I would like to see such a template but its by far not the best:

Hero
BM
Vale (Animist =ONLY IF USEFUL IN RVR HOPEFULLY SOON I HAVE TO USE CAPS)
Druid
Druid
Bard
(Mana) Eld
(Mana) Ench

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Postby Thalien » May 27, 2010 22:03

I would still run classic hybrid.

With full caster you need to rely too much on ras.

Bard
Druid
Druid
Eld
Ench
BM
BM
Hero

And i wouldnt suggest to take a split spec eld for bombing.
If you really wanna do this youll need full dmg means red bomb.

If you want split spec then its 48m 24 light for red bomb and blue ns.
Ok not a real splitspec :-) but 39/37 isnt worth it imo.

My blue bomb also onehits theurg pets and im still able to deal real dmg with spec nuke. And for real bombing like i said i would go for red bomb and only skip the 50dd cause mana dd is 3,0 sec casttime and with ench debuff baseline should be better.
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Postby bawww » May 28, 2010 02:47

dddb, lighteld, lighteld, random, random.


you can go either full caster setup with that adding ench and mentalist to random spots or hybrid adding 2 bm's or whatever. When the rupt system gets fixed if the 2 elds and the bard can't keep the whole enemy support locked down without need to blow more than one purge (3 druids are there so that you have purge available for 90% of the fights not to blow all purges in one fight) than they are faliures even for Uthgard terms. Oh and one druid can go nature, to make up for the missing def tank but it's not really necessary.

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Postby Panchos » May 28, 2010 18:34

With no Cure NS i think at least one bm would help lots.

If your eld(s) lose the NS fight just once when purges are down then a full hib caster group will pretty much lose unless the other group is retarted.

imo bard/druid/druid/hero/eld (split)/chanter/bm/ment or animist or another bm

I dont think groups will rely on mentalist dmg as much because with faster casting speed eld + chanter will drop targets much faster, although the 2nd demezz would be very nice. I think it would be nice to have 1 bm or 2 training the other group's tank trains.
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Postby Cespx » May 28, 2010 19:22

Artefact wrote:Yep i'm ok with

Bard
Druid x2
Eld x2 split spec for both
menta light
Ench
Hero


My best setup atm just exchange hero with bm- prevent flight with 2 weapons + back snare will pwn every at.
Panchos wrote:With no Cure NS i think at least one bm would help lots.

If your eld(s) lose the NS fight just once when purges are down then a full hib caster group will pretty much lose unless the other group is retarted.

imo bard/druid/druid/hero/eld (split)/chanter/bm/ment or animist or another bm

I dont think groups will rely on mentalist dmg as much because with faster casting speed eld + chanter will drop targets much faster, although the 2nd demezz would be very nice. I think it would be nice to have 1 bm or 2 training the other group's tank trains.


That's why you take 2 elds^^ Impossible to lose NS duel. And i think we should abuse NS as much as possible.
In my opinion only eld+ench at isnt enough- remember we will be still on Uth with our "livelike" resists...

And to the bomb grps. I admit 3 bombs assist with OF MoC will own every at. Just... who will love to pwn but only every 30 mins? Remember patch changes. All heals with 3 sec casting? It's already hard to survive 3-4 mids AT. I dont want to imagine what's gonna happen after OF RAs come. Not to forget Hibs wont have Bof then.

So to sume up. In my opinion best setup would be a mix of casters (2 split elds + ench + menta heat/debuff assist) + (2 split elds + ench moc/bomb assist with menta as another supporter or secondary dmg dealer)

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Postby Panchos » May 29, 2010 06:12

Cespx wrote:
Artefact wrote:Yep i'm ok with

Bard
Druid x2
Eld x2 split spec for both
menta light
Ench
Hero


My best setup atm just exchange hero with bm- prevent flight with 2 weapons + back snare will pwn every at.
Panchos wrote:With no Cure NS i think at least one bm would help lots.

If your eld(s) lose the NS fight just once when purges are down then a full hib caster group will pretty much lose unless the other group is retarted.

imo bard/druid/druid/hero/eld (split)/chanter/bm/ment or animist or another bm

I dont think groups will rely on mentalist dmg as much because with faster casting speed eld + chanter will drop targets much faster, although the 2nd demezz would be very nice. I think it would be nice to have 1 bm or 2 training the other group's tank trains.


That's why you take 2 elds^^ Impossible to lose NS duel. And i think we should abuse NS as much as possible.


Even running 2 elds doesnt mean you won't lose the NS battle...one good player can easily beat 2 players to NS in many situations, especially now that people will have cap speed on nearsight
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Postby Force » May 29, 2010 08:34

doesn't matter if you NS both elds because one of the druids can clear both their NS instantly. granted a cabby or RM can purge their NS as well, but only once every 30 minutes. With 3 druids and GP you've got 4 insta NS cures for everyone in group every 30 minutes.


now if you've got a tank on each eld they won't be NSing very much but that's a different story.

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Postby Cespx » May 29, 2010 12:54

Panchos wrote:
Cespx wrote:
Artefact wrote:Yep i'm ok with

Bard
Druid x2
Eld x2 split spec for both
menta light
Ench
Hero


My best setup atm just exchange hero with bm- prevent flight with 2 weapons + back snare will pwn every at.
Panchos wrote:With no Cure NS i think at least one bm would help lots.

If your eld(s) lose the NS fight just once when purges are down then a full hib caster group will pretty much lose unless the other group is retarted.

imo bard/druid/druid/hero/eld (split)/chanter/bm/ment or animist or another bm

I dont think groups will rely on mentalist dmg as much because with faster casting speed eld + chanter will drop targets much faster, although the 2nd demezz would be very nice. I think it would be nice to have 1 bm or 2 training the other group's tank trains.


That's why you take 2 elds^^ Impossible to lose NS duel. And i think we should abuse NS as much as possible.


Even running 2 elds doesnt mean you won't lose the NS battle...one good player can easily beat 2 players to NS in many situations, especially now that people will have cap speed on nearsight


Ns cap speed = 357 dex so most casters are not that far from it. Not to mention you've got to be really low skilled to lose 2 vs 1^^

Force wrote:now if you've got a tank on each eld they won't be NSing very much but that's a different story.


Sure. But tanks will lose sos/charge (mid) and charge (alb) and gain better prevent flight only. So it should be easier to kite enemy at.

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Postby Force » May 29, 2010 13:37

im less worried about kite from hibs, especially with ichor on mid and no sos for them to zip away.

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Postby Maidrion » May 29, 2010 14:19

Maidrion wrote:If anything kite setups only got better. You shouldn't only look at what you gain but also what your enemy looses. No more charge, no more aog, no more PRs (except the healer RA) but probably as important no more DI (I'm told Battery of Life is 1k hps on 30min timer so terrible), greater heals being a lot slower...good luck healing overextenders. With 30min purge NS is gonna be win and you'll have a red ns class and 2x grp purge aswell. Oh and add ToA-like cast speed to that aswell. The only downside I see is mana reg being slower below 50% power but that goes for everyone.
Sounds OP to me.


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