Salandril wrote:According to statistics in the herald its not a problem of a low hib population.
If i get u right the only ones who build pugs in hib are relic hoppers? Arent there any hib guilds who try to improve RvR for the casuals like there are in mid and alb?

Nope, the situation is that many Hibs dont want to go into the fz atm, because of the missing relics. They say, that they dont have any chances vs the guildgroups if they dont have the relic-bonus on their side. I had this discussion just some days before, when I was asked why I dont want to take more relics.

An other friend of mine told me some month ago, when mid and alb had 3 relics each, that he does pve on hib, but when he wants to do RvR, he logs his alb-toon because of the relic-bonus.

Do u mean the OP dmg/heal relicbonus or the rp bonus?

Ofc u need every little advantage when u want to fight set grps in emain with a pug but there is also a alb and mid fz.
I see 2-3 alb pugs running there every evening. Grps who only have a few core players and need to fill up with casuals.
A semi organiced hib pug should be able to beat those grps or at least to have some good fights.

So there is lots of beatable inc and there are enough players on hib. What is the problem?

Remember 6 months ago, Rare played GW2 other Guilds were not active also.

It was hard to find 8 people to build a PuG( i mean a Pug where you had chances to beat the enemies).

Now its the same on Hib. Basically Hibernia is the most difficult Realm to play with our Patch Level, could be a reason too.

True it was the same on alb a few months ago but hib seems to be the realm with the lowest amount of pugs ever since.

Salandril wrote:Do u mean the OP dmg/heal relicbonus or the rp bonus?

Ofc u need every little advantage when u want to fight set grps in emain with a pug but there is also a alb and mid fz.
I see 2-3 alb pugs running there every evening. Grps who only have a few core players and need to fill up with casuals.
A semi organiced hib pug should be able to beat those grps or at least to have some good fights.

So there is lots of beatable inc and there are enough players on hib. What is the problem?

Believe it or not, but thats what they told me.

I think also what Xac said is true: Hib is at this patch the most difficult realm to play.

So its a mixture of both.

And to be ontopic again: There are some active rvr-guilds in Hibernia, but not that many.

Time for a RELIC RAID, Kelo?

Austerim wrote:Time for a RELIC RAID, Kelo?

than you will go back to hib :p?

Magicco wrote:

Austerim wrote:Time for a RELIC RAID, Kelo?

than you will go back to hib :p?

If he goes back to hib, i better dont do a relicraid then.

Lasastard wrote:But it also raises the entry barrier for new players, since they a) have no groups to join, b) will always run against the strongest groups (unless the third realm takes off some of the heat) and have no backup if one realm decides to build a 16slot. It can be pretty frustrating, I imagine.

Hit the nail on the head. Recently started up on Uthgard after leaving daoc in ~2007(played from release) and as a new player in hib trying to RvR you go to DL and look for a group and there is Req running groups and then MAYBE a single hib pug. The current trend that Ive run into is getting a slot in a pug after waiting LFG for an hour(trying to build a group in the downtime) making one run, getting rolled by a set group and everyone logging.

Most days you might get 2 or 3 runs in the entire day because you spend an hour building a group, make a run or 2. People log and the group is dead. Spend another hour trying to build another group, ect.

In the off chance you actually build a solid PUG and win some fights against lower RR groups(still cannot compete with the set groups) the lower RR groups will start to team up and then RvR is shot because its impossible to put together a second group to try and take out the zergs.

Magicco wrote:than you will go back to hib :p?

No matter where I go, no one wants to take me for RvR.

It´s not like YOU have to go to Emain where the Setgroups( i don´t know a single Setgroup except maybe Prime from Mid but yeah - most groups Rare,TI,NW are Guildgroups and grab their player from a playerpool.) are running if u have a pug.

If u go Odins / Alb FZ and Hit Keeps INC will come. Do you really think the AlbPugs and MidPugs can mess up with the "Setgroups".

If u go Emain stop complain getting rolled. SO if ur PuG is not able to kill a "Setgroup" why don´t grab 4-5 Players more to try to kill them. I suppose no good group would complain about it and you will have interesting fights.

But yeah there are many different options to have some RvR, it´s not like Emain ist the MUST. I´ll often enough see groups running in Odins / Hadrians etc.

Well, this will be no complain... but describing situation yesterday...

Xacrag wrote:If u go Odins / Alb FZ and Hit Keeps INC will come.

Yes - in form of a mid zerg, which a PUG can't handle... there was an Alb BG - but no coordinator - so Alb pugs got farmed, and split or went to other area.

Xacrag wrote:SO if ur PuG is not able to kill a "Setgroup" why don´t grab 4-5 Players more to try to kill them. I suppose no good group would complain about it and you will have interesting fights.

Thats a pretty good strategy, which for me only worked within alliance - other grps dont like anything else but the holy 8v8 grail

But there is one big flaw - if that "enhanced" grp doesnt encounter set grps - but pugs from other realms, those other realms pugs dont stand a chance - and that could be frustrating again. Yesterday, this was the case - running as alb pug like for 2 hours - and we only had one nice inc - killed hib grp raiding keep - other than that - emain was full of mid zerg, or empty - we changed to odins - mid zerg again...

Again, this is no complaint - its the way it goes some times... if you got no very good grp, which can beat other good/set grps or even a small low rr zerg - its just a hoping and looking and releasing and sometimes finding another pug for a nice 8v8.

So you basically say the Situation from yesterday where was indeed a Huge amount of Midzerg( think we were the only 8 men group running in Mid) is every day the same? Come on!

Mid was not active like that the last month, all what you need to counterzerg is one coordinator and nothing else. Players are always enough online and the Casuals like to zerg anyway.

Unfortunately, I do not have the time to run daily, nor I have a set grp - just making friends with some pug players.. and ofc I do not have a core rvr char (only minst + reaver atm - theurg in the make)... and I am a 8v8 starter - did only solo pvp on pvp server before Uthgard.

But the last times I was Emain, mids ran with 2+ groups most of the times.. yeah, as I said, you just gotta cope with that - either get some more albs to help out or change zone.

"The problem" with that is just - as those mids saw, albs ran only with 1 fg, they still ran with 2+ fgs all the time or when one fg - the other added - this kills the action pretty much.

I dont mind this - but there could be overall much more action, if all players would react on the situation with a little bit of brain

Like this morning... mid trio, hib trio, alb trio out... all fine - did not get an invite to alb grp - thats ok. Mids got pwned a few times, then they ran as 4... still all ok.. then they ran as 6 - and i got invite to make up for it... less than 20 peeps in Emain - but non stop fun action.

Did u realise this thread is about hib rvr?
There is no reason to complain about rvr on alb. Every evening there are more than enough alb grps out to wipe the daily mid zerg.

Edit: Afaik yesterday it was the 3 alb grps adding each others fights which made the mids zerg in their fz