Yep, making a group from zero , seems hard, but it is real easy once you have done it once or twice. And after a while, its like 5min and you have a group going, and the next "hard" thing is to find a good spot.

And always friend the players you play with, easier to group when there is people you know online.

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Also to note about Zerg XP is that, when you hit level 40-41, the experience is so low, that you will use ~~3 hours for 1 bubble of exp (its really bad exp).

Then there is the problem of a premade high level group on the spot, doing most of the damage => looting all money drops and item drops (worth around 2000 gold per hour =that is the reason they are there).

MEANING, when you get powerlevelled from 1 to 40 (in example) you will have 0 gold and maby if you have been lucky 20g worth of gems in your inventory. => good luck crafting gear or doing anything naked @lvl 40.

In a way, this Zerg XP is hurting Hib players who play their main character on the zerg as they reach 40, they might have levels but zero crafting and zero gear. => alt "powerlevelling" the zerg is optimal as alts only need exp, gold and items come from mains normally.

in comparison, i started on day1, and now i have almost level 42 and 950+ tailoring+all salvage skills 950+. and around 1500 gold. All done solo and with no help from guildies or friends. When you compare that to Zerging in Bog of Cullen, you have to be out of your mind to join them with a main character NOT in the premade high level group. (high level premade group gets all the loot and gold). !!!IF YOU GET A SPOT IN THE LEVEL 48-50 GROUP GO FOR IT!!!

My 2c.

My second Lvl 50 character on Live was a NS and I leveled him normally with group content. That was only possible because I was always the person building the group.
I also wouldnt say SIabra City is in any way bad or the mentality of players changed. We used Siabra City 13 years ago just the same way as today, with all the trouble, discussions and annoyances as today. If you ever tried to build a group, find a spot, wipe, had to regroup and rebuild, wipe again and your party dissolved, essentially wasting 2 hours of your life, you begin to really love easy spots like Siabra City, just because you know what you will get.

i hit 43 today, most of the time being the only one dps in grp cos i grped several lowbies, randoms and guildies alike. Early in the morning everyone followed directions, we stood on shore and noone went foward, we enjoyed the bonus exp and i can tell it was some of the best 2h i got in there. pulling decent exp while nixie was pullin eventho i never had an optimal grp. Once people stoped following directions and spreading turrets and fighting for exp. exp just got bad for everyone. anyway i went from 42 to 43 in 1 morning. so decent exp. i imagine there are 40+ dps grps gettin 20mill and more per kill. fine for them this is SC u all know what u get, its so ez exp and u know that, try to enjoy it as it is if not i myself would be kicking every soloer out of the bg and moving spot to get ppl killed. But u gotta keep the drama low. SC is SC and will always be like this, im glad we have it.

On another note i only picked up what Tree started and tried to encourage my vision on it wich differs from him, but this is a pub zerg and we all should be used to them being old time daoc players. Keep drama low and enjoy it.

and yes, i checked it and i could be soloing at lvl 42 and gettin 20 mill and more per kill. wich i didnt cos this is a public zerg where u come to grp with people not to take advantage of it but as i said, u gotta keep the drama low in game and in forums.

Btw i really think people get what they deserve, got several stealthers in my grp today wich i know they get a hard time finding grps, i got ppl in whos been spaming the bg chat for days to get into a grp, as soon as i left me grp, and the lowbies where there still these players instead of trying to find a replacement and keep going, left the grp leaving the low lvls on their own, prolly without a grp for the rest of the day. im sure this stealthers/players ask themselves why they never get into grps. hope they will spend the rest of the afternoon ungrouped. Be as u like, dont ****** if life doesnt put things ur way in the future

i would still underline that,

Setting a treasurer for the zerg is in my classification a bit "morally wrong" especially as it is not said to the players that are invited to the zerg by invites directly or just PM => wanna group in bog of cullen ?


Using a Treasurer means all good loot goes to certain people and every other contributing player in the raid gets nothing.


This should be said to every player who joins or in the main group/raid chat.



NOTE : Today 3 FGs departed from the Zerg as they noticed what i was talking here in Forums.

This guy above me, i dont get u, but i understand u are crying about loot in all ur posts. I thought u got it right some posts above, LOOT SET AS NORMAL GOES TO THE HIGHEST DPS GRP. ofc we are not settin treasurer mode on a 100+ bg and then sharing it accordingly. LOOT HAS BEEN SET TO NORMAL EVERY DAY, HIGHEST DPS GRP GETS LOOT AND GOLD IS SHARED AMONG THE BG, if dps grp is outside the bg they will keep the gold i guess, wich i dont aprove but they are free to do their own since we cant pvp them right? I am the person whose been settin up the zerg the last 3 days, loot set to normal as it always has been in here since 15 years ago. I dont understand what are u ****** about, u need lvl 45+ and form some high dps grp if u want the loot. I AM ORGANIZING THE ZERG AND IM NEVER IN THE HIGH DPS GRP, nor do i have any relation with the guys doing that, i do not encourage that behaviour, Also...no grps left today, zerg stood at 70ish ppl since the beggining untill i left. I dont understand what r u trying to point out, or what are ur complains about loot since its working as SC always did. I guess u would love to be on that 45+ grp gettin all the loot.

Have a nice day and get ur stuff right plz

On a side note, anyone who have attended could notice that im trying to pull this as an HIB zerg, not anyones else, noone is entitled to say who can join or who must be kicked. deal with public zergs, and to let u know i organize this without knowing anyone, only 2 guildies joined on 2nd day, there is no raid chat or anything besides the bg.

i was in the zerg yesterday and the day before that.

all item loots were distributed via the treasurer.

Bloodlance wrote:i was in the zerg yesterday and the day before that.

all item loots were distributed via the treasurer.

Get ur stuff right, i wont adress u anymore. We even had a discusion in /bc about this, i used the slash comand someone gave me and loot got set to treasurer wich i became, and as i said the zerg is not going to work like that, so i used the slash again and set it back to normal. If u were in the bg u should have seen this happening. I explained u how normal loot works, it has been set to normal everyday. As i said, get ur stuff right.


EDIT : the zerg is going on right now, if the new bg leader sets loot to trasurer, wich im sure is not happening cos someone would tell me, is not my fault. BG leader when i left is Enrick. zerg set to public and loot set to normal. Enjoy hib fella

The problem with the zerg XP groups for me is that as a 40+ healer I usually get shoved in with all the lowbies/AFKs. It has also made it REALLY difficult to find/create real groups during the daytime because most people potentially LFG 40+ are in the Bog.

farmbooty wrote:

Bloodlance wrote:i was in the zerg yesterday and the day before that.

all item loots were distributed via the treasurer.

Get ur stuff right, i wont adress u anymore. We even had a discusion in /bc about this, i used the slash comand someone gave me and loot got set to treasurer wich i became, and as i said the zerg is not going to work like that, so i used the slash again and set it back to normal. If u were in the bg u should have seen this happening. I explained u how normal loot works, it has been set to normal everyday. As i said, get ur stuff right.

Right, and people in general left today, just coz they had their facts not right

That 3 FGs that left the zerg have a stream up in twitch and they are distributing all gear/gold evenly and the exp is maxed out. And they even talked about how the megazerg has been abusing treasurer command.

Looks all around, better in every category vs the Zerg next to the tower. ( mushrooms on top of the small stones ).

If you switched the treasurer to normal , then it must of been after i left => good in my opinion, using that command to exclude contributing players is a bad thing in my opinion.

good if theres more ppl doing fg bgs in SC, njorka has been doing it privately for days, balancing grps and prolly sharing the loot. easy on a private bg, not thinkable on a pub one. I dare u to step up tomorrow and form the bg and do it right hehe. You can say wathever u want, ****** wathever u want, all i know after ur rant is 1. that LOOT IS SET TO NORMAL becasuse ive been the leader of the bg the last 3 days and only me can change that. 2. u would love to be on that looting group.


Bye friend, cya in cullen. I bet u are the one who asked me several times to set bg to treasurer and move the treasurer between grps each 15 mins. haha oh man. i love u

farmbooty wrote:good if theres more ppl doing fg bgs in SC, njorka has been doing it privately for days, balancing grps and prolly sharing the loot. easy on a private bg, not thinkable on a pub one. I dare u to step up tomorrow and form the bg and do it right hehe. You can say wathever u want, ****** wathever u want, all i know is 1. that LOOT IS SET TO NORMAL becasuse ive been the leader of the bg the last 3 days and only me can change that. 2. u would love to be on that looting group.


Bye friend, cya in cullen.

Yea like i said, i am not against the zerg, i just hope, there is more information sharing about how it works.

Some cry about Treasurer (depending on zerg) some cry about a high level premade group taking the loot, but the outcome is almost the same.

Just couple of macros is easy to make and just after that its 100% chill, as people have facts at hand.

i do love the idea what you are doing, its great for alts and people who dont care much about gold and loot.

i am myself min maxer so , sorry if i am a bit direct

<3 good luck in Bog

im fine if u rant, want to discuss or argue about anything, but get ur facts right plz, im doing my best with this pub bg, wich is not easy to keep tight. loot is an issue we cannot overcome i guess, we will have out of bg dps grps farming the loot....nothing we can do. cya in hibernia friend

It dawned on me last night that I haven't been to the Bog of Cullen since I quit playing in 2004. I feel left out.

Ganaka wrote:It dawned on me last night that I haven't been to the Bog of Cullen since I quit playing in 2004. I feel left out.

The return was quite something. Me and my old guild had so much fun there on live.

Today I stayed with the raid a few hours because I wanted to get some loot for crafting. I ended up levelling people nearly half the time without getting loot.
However it didn't take long for some players to blame their bad XP on me, a godforsaken Lvl 50 animist, and saying all sorts of crazy things. I don't mind the open discussion and at least there was no bad language going around today. It actually amuses me a bit what ideas some people have about DAoC or how others should play or not play the game.
SC is an open spot, it was that way 13 years on live and it will be in the future on Uthgard. Some people don't understand the beauty of that. It's insanely simple. You can go there and leave any time you want. You get super easy and safe XP, you have no downtime and no risk of wiping the party and having to rebuild. The ONLY, god damn please GET THAT, the really freakin ONLY thing you have to do is bring damage. Nobody else is to blame if you don't get loot or XP if you do not have that damage in your party. It is your fault if you go to a car race and only bring your bicycle.
If you do not like the way things are please don't put the blame on anyone else. Bad XP, no loot? God please leave, what are you doing there? You hate it already, so why stay?
In my opinion, for all levels and classes, it can be the land of milk and honey. So please act like it, be happy about that great spot we got on Hib and cherish it!