Keith Johnson wrote:

Gohan wrote:400g per piece is completely fair because even when you take out the original cost and time (which should be compensated) it still takes time and money and if you can make more in a salvage, loot or DF grp then why would you bother to SC?

Is that a serious question? It's literally a gold producing factory that you can do sitting half afk in a city or house, watching YouTube and pressing 1 every 30 seconds. Such minimal effort just time.

That's like saying it's not worth it to turn 10000 sapphire bars into hinges and better to just vendor because the time it takes to do it would be better farming more gold with a group..

keith, what is it u wish to accomplish here?
except spreading hatred and salty tears.

roll your own spellcrafter! otherwise please stop the whining

Keith Johnson wrote:

Gohan wrote:400g per piece is completely fair because even when you take out the original cost and time (which should be compensated) it still takes time and money and if you can make more in a salvage, loot or DF grp then why would you bother to SC?

Is that a serious question? It's literally a gold producing factory that you can do sitting half afk in a city or house, watching YouTube and pressing 1 every 30 seconds. Such minimal effort just time.

That's like saying it's not worth it to turn 10000 sapphire bars into hinges and better to just vendor because the time it takes to do it would be better farming more gold with a group..

LOL clueless non SCer here.....

To level you can do that yes, but after 20+ hours of semi afk you realise how unfun that really is.
For an order, of say 6 pieces, that's 24 gems, usually at least 20 different ones, all with different ingredients, so unless you have a 400 slot bad, no, you can't semi afk at all. An SC order is an active business.

Djisaz wrote:

Keith Johnson wrote:

Gohan wrote:400g per piece is completely fair because even when you take out the original cost and time (which should be compensated) it still takes time and money and if you can make more in a salvage, loot or DF grp then why would you bother to SC?

Is that a serious question? It's literally a gold producing factory that you can do sitting half afk in a city or house, watching YouTube and pressing 1 every 30 seconds. Such minimal effort just time.

That's like saying it's not worth it to turn 10000 sapphire bars into hinges and better to just vendor because the time it takes to do it would be better farming more gold with a group..

keith, what is it u wish to accomplish here?
except spreading hatred and salty tears.

roll your own spellcrafter! otherwise please stop the whining

Where am I whining in that post? I'm just calling people out when they spew BS. It's what I do in game and IRL. Call it a character flaw if you wish, but I've always found it to benefit me. So when you have a handful of SCers trying to convince everyone that a laughably overpriced rate per item is entirely fair and reasonable, I'm gonna call BS because a lot of people just accept whatever they are told without question.

And I've already started making my own. Isn't my first LGM, probably won't be the last.

Well, you only can semiafk for 50 focus stones, the mix of small and bigger stones which is generally on items needs your full attention if you want to get it done in a reasonable time

If you have a ton of gear that needs to get SC'ed, i would make your own spellcrafter and get him to 700+ and then just pay someone to do the perfect/flawless gems and the final combine. It's much cheaper and saves you from the maddening SC grind that is 800+. Legendary SC'ers can even combine your gems/gear while crafting other gems, so they should be happy to do it.

Trickfinger wrote:If you have a ton of gear that needs to get SC'ed, i would make your own spellcrafter and get him to 700+ and then just pay someone to do the perfect/flawless gems and the final combine. It's much cheaper and saves you from the maddening SC grind that is 800+. Legendary SC'ers can even combine your gems/gear while crafting other gems, so they should be happy to do it.

Ohh I like that idea. At 700 you could probably make 90+% of the gems and most pieces would just need an LGM to do nothing but imbue it for you.

Keith Johnson wrote:

Trickfinger wrote:If you have a ton of gear that needs to get SC'ed, i would make your own spellcrafter and get him to 700+ and then just pay someone to do the perfect/flawless gems and the final combine. It's much cheaper and saves you from the maddening SC grind that is 800+. Legendary SC'ers can even combine your gems/gear while crafting other gems, so they should be happy to do it.

Ohh I like that idea. At 700 you could probably make 90+% of the gems and most pieces would just need an LGM to do nothing but imbue it for you.

On top of that, you can make a low-level gem a 100% quality so that the SC'er only needs to make you a 98% perfect/flawless or whatever.

Cave_Sham wrote:whats the problem

It takes almost an hour per 5 skill levels when you are 900+...i'll pass thanks. Getting to 700ish is just to save a little plat if the math works out for you.

If you do this expect to be charged for the imbue still as the LGM has had to put the time/effort in to get there. Obviously not gonna be 350/400 a piece but still expect to be paying 200 or so

I'm sorry but if you're charging 200g per piece just to click the imbue button, seems a bit overpriced. If you have to sit there for 30mins crafting some of the gems, that I can see. But if you seriously think that somehow you pressing a button is worth 200g in comparison to you doing all the work and charging 400g per piece, That's not something I can wrap my head around.

Mournn wrote:I'm sorry but if you're charging 200g per piece just to click the imbue button, seems a bit overpriced. If you have to sit there for 30mins crafting some of the gems, that I can see. But if you seriously think that somehow you pressing a button is worth 200g in comparison to you doing all the work and charging 400g per piece, That's not something I can wrap my head around.

most common i know of is 50g for imbue only

For only imbuing when stones are present, I for my part do charge less than 200 a piece, but ofc that depends on the Spellcrafter.

that wasn't a set price, I've never imbued for someone that has done their own gems (also people were saying only doing the low-level gems which would still mean making some higher gems and they are the expensive and time-consuming retries) my point was, don't expect it for free because then no one would get to LGM.

I should also point out to all the whiners on here that I'm not LGM on Hib and don't intend to be, did it on Mid and really don't fancy it again. My advice is to make yourself an LGM SCer and suddenly you'll see prices very very differently

Cave_Sham wrote:what kinda weirdo would grind to 700 when you still need to find a grandmaster to do the rest

Someone who knows math and can weigh time vs money? Also someone who actually plays the game, so I understand why it might be a weird concept for you.

Just an example of a recent job I did:
Two identical temps with 16 parts in total. Since it was a huge order, and identical sets take less time than different sets because of identical ingredients (less running to buy mats) I charged 15 pieces and the 16 th was for free
Which totaled up into 6p (15×400g).

Wow fast and easy money you might say, my guildmates jokingly insulted me for being overpriced when I told them I got that big order and I admit also I thought: finally rich with a comparably easy job

Well I am richer than before now, but it was not easy. Read and judge for yourself if you think it was overpriced or not:

I crafted 4.5 hours straight with two cigarette breaks and spent +/- 1.3p in materialcosts. This leaves a profit of 4.7p in 4.5h, so slightly over a plat/h.

Take into consideration that time spent and also material costs were slightly less than they would be for two different sets and crafting 4.5h equals almost to real work instead of playing, I conclude for myyself again: I would not do anything like that for less money (for strangers).