Better take Manaeld. More variance of the light (base) nuke, but the spec nuke is cold damage.

50 Mana ench/20 light can debuff heat. Base line light is heat for ench and light eld and pet nuke. So 50% debuff of heat on target then full nuke from pet and eld with variance nuke from ench.

Light eld is only one to have AE mezz and nearsight. Very helpfull.

This is one of the first things you learn in rvr. The casters will ask you to debuff but you must ask what their spec is. If you are lucky then it is light like your own or you have to cast both debuffs but most elds will want cold for spec nuke in void and light. That is settled easily in a duo.

In the early days, enchanters had an insta debuff that would interrupt. This and old MoC made enchanters pretty powerful in group.

Nowadays I'd go for an eld over a chanter though. Or perhaps a light mentalist for that matter.

Animists.. nah!

Valewalker, well if you want a hybrid class this is certainly a viable option.

sure you can spec 50 mana/20 light. but that reduces our solo foraming options down to 6 blue or maybe 4 yellow.

a bard/druide is an absolut must.

i go for 50mana/20 ench.

this way you can still get into highmob pve groups easy, farm solo pretty darn good and have a small damage add which makes a lot of people happy. its kinda like a drug if you run around giving it to newbies/soloers.

and yeah, the debuff. single target castable with high resist chance. want to debuff all the enemys before making a kamikaze run? will take pretty darn long. by the time you debuffed 3 targets you could have dished out a couple thousand damage already.

there is pretty much just one rvr spec : 49 mana / 22 light

there is absolute no reason whatsoever to not spec like that.

lvl40 focus shield gets the job done aswell as the lvl50 one for pve (unless for whatever reason you want to kill purple mobs 3 seconds faster , won´t affect rvr at all - just drains more mana)

basicly you are getting the most utility out of a chanter that way. 50% heat debuff(49) along with a heavy variance baseline nuke.
in groups you might aswell debuff cold for 50% wich is gonna be very handy if grouped with a light eld for example.
last pbaoe is a nobrainer(48)

i have to stress there is a huge difference within the baseline nuke if you spec 20 light or 22 . gonna need 2 FULL RR ups more to get the variance in your baseline nuke to an acceptable level.

at rr7/8 the variance is gonna be acceptable. (with the 20 light spec it has to be rr 9/10 - thats a lot!)

next to the variance it feels like the manacost for the nuke is slightly lower.didn´t test that though.

the 1 point more in your mana line just gives you an unneccesary higher focus shield (more or less pointless for rvr , even though you can kill some tanks with it in the right situation - the lvl40 one´s gonna do it just aswell).

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light spec is a complete waste. even at rr4 you deal more damage with a debuff followed up by the baseline nuke than with the (slightly slower) spec nuke.

you are giving up resist debuffs , damage and a strong pbaoe for a haste debuff (makes you get hit harder , yay) and a minimal damage debuff(doesn´t have a significant impact).

i´ve tried a 45light spec and it was just horrible.

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pet line

not rvr relevant .just the damage add seems to be interesting.
you are not a cabby who can give his pet cc imunity - so it´s plain crap)

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split specs like 36/40 are the worst you could do. just loosing dps for nuking slower after having to debuff (constant, but less damage)

hope that helped a bit to prevent some respec attempts.


eobair

BlackCougar wrote:enchanters arent made for rvr. .

k, because Hibernia have enough Pet-Support by grey Druid Pets-of doom?

ive ran a 49/22 for a year in rvr. still sucked.
baseline stays baseline, has heavy variance until high RR and costs tons of mana.

the 49/22 isnt that much better in rvr then the 50/20 - one just sucks less.
pet is useless anyway, mezzed/rooted all the time. only if you get hit by an archer it shows you the direction he is, so your group can go kill him before they come back and rezz you.

discussing the rvr aspect of an enchanter is a waste of time no matter what the spec is.
the more you spec for rvr, the more you lose solo performance and still get outskilled by elds.


if you dont want a farmchar but something you can spend every day in rvr, dont run an ench. its not worth the effort and anger.

if you want a farmchar, do it right - 50 mana and 20 ench. you dont need light in pve.

the lvl 50 focus shield deals noticeable more damage then the lvl 40 AND more importantly, it generates a lot more aggro on mobs.

the difference shows in numbers and level of mobs as well as mana drain.
while its true that it consumes more mana while the shield is running, the mobs also get a lot more damage and thus, die faster which means less mana overall to spend on the shield if a healer is present or in case of soloing, you can step in to nuke sooner while the pet still has enough hp left to survive 2 attacks from everything you pulled.
timed right this means 2 nukes plus qc nuke which in turn allows stronger/more mobs at once without getting killed.

if your going for high mobs item farming, a battle of endurance so to speak, the lvl 40 shield will not suffice. you will run out of mana before the mob is gone and even if you save some, the nukes wont cut it most times.
so you will need a second caster to deliver the needed damage.

with the lvl 50 shield the thrownback damage sums up pretty fast, leaving you with mana to spare

with 49 mana i could do lvl 70 mobs with a druid, manamenta and a manaeld or second ench - and a sitdown afterwards since we where all depleted.

with 50 shield, druid and menta was enough and we could look for the next prey pretty much without rest.

starting with the second shield (first one is complete crap) it becomes the most important tool, pushing the nuke onto second place in terms of how many times its used.

doubt me if you will, ive started using focus shield succesfully while even mythic said it was unusable and they thought about removing it since it didnt serve a purpose and ive been doing it for a long time.

and yes, except for the dragon and legion i did every mob there was to kill and killed it. the high mobs with help of excelent mentas/druids of course.

I love to up Ancient topic

What about a spec: 40mana, 36light ?

i like that specc (40/36) - it's probably the best specc for a casual player.

For Solo-4man RvR 40/46 is okay and for PvE

But if you want to go 8v8 49/22 is better.

ok thx ^^

enchanter is viable as soon as you have another eld in grp (8v8) they are better with 2+ elds in grp tho. Since the heat debuff got nerfed, there is no reason to use it. One would rather use the cold debuff to let the eld nuke. In this kind of grps (1-3 elds+ench) you won't be much more than a debuff bot (with a pet and an instant debuff that rupts (there is no single ench that uses the rupting debuff tho))

enchanter is pretty decent with a bard in duo, not as good as menta or eld but still viable

soloing -> forget that
every assasin with purge will kill you easily, visible solos should be a doable if you kite them with cast/snare pet, but there are nearly none.

if u play an ench in 8v8 take pd4-5 as first RAs, since u r basically a debuff and rupt bot in front of the elds.

Debuff duration didnt really have that significant effect, like you stay and nuke a target for above 4+ sec without debuffing again anyway (which then is 8 seconds if you reapply it before it runs off) works just fine for cabs, works fine for runecarvers, why wouldnt it work for enchanter? lazy pd5 boons :p

Hmm, thx for those explanations... I will see, but indeed if enchant are only debuff bot, i'll go for 49/x