Thalien wrote:Well you also say that ment is decent dps against mids...
But then you say eld ench has no dmg output?

+ warden + bm + hero. That's really poor dps all around.

Thalien wrote:Seems you play alb and got no idea about hib setups. It's seriously one of the bests.
Eld+ench assist is a good dmg output and enough to drop everything quick. Also they got a hero with em.
And then it's not all about dmg but rupt/control of the figth.

Seems I played both hib and alb to know extensively well how any setup works. Tbh I don't remember the last time I saw eld+ench+warden in the same group, possible because it's such a bad combination to begin with.

Thalien wrote:Only problem with the setup is the warden spot. Most time a second bm is better. Hard to get a warden in group with no shildspec

Hard to make use of a warden, getting a warden is easy

I m pretty sure this topic has gone somewhere else

the setup rocks man played it with mb/stip some times and always worked very well twf3 and aog is not to be sniffed at! kisses xxxxx ... xD

Lol, well... RA dumping against bad pugs works ye. You can make a group of 6 wardens in that case and still win.

as we all know rr makes up for initial imbalances on hib. also ra duping is a bit rich coming from mr purge ns, jugg2, rr5 caba

Has nothing to do with "initial imbalances", I was more hinting towards the fact that you pick a class only for it's dumping realm abilities and calling it "the best setup" when the setup is entirely dumping realmability dependent and is basically free rps with it's realm abilities down (if you ever played against high rr groups with similar setup like morrigan's breath with their realm abilities down like you'd notice a huuuuuuuuuge difference in difficulty). By saying things like that you only give the pro-oldra people a good argument against nf ras.

just for info's i've played in that setup against good, high rr opponents and done very well, managing to bomb the ****** out of a certain herra tank/healer spam grp like 4 times. there are no leet setups in hib imo but that is my favourite ive played.

Feuille wrote:VW will be more and more useless.... or less and less usefull. It's the same idea...
why ?
1.69 =
- the end of conflagration (lvl 50 style conbo of the detaunt, the main source of DPS from the VW) that coming from the 4th style after evade so useless
- the end of the free 5L ra ability (u'll have to buy it)
- the end of the ichor (u just have to cry)

-> VW will be unplayable if u arent high rr

that will take away everything that gives me the slightest chance to kill anything at the moment

ostebjarne wrote:

Feuille wrote:VW will be more and more useless.... or less and less usefull. It's the same idea...
why ?
1.69 =
- the end of conflagration (lvl 50 style conbo of the detaunt, the main source of DPS from the VW) that coming from the 4th style after evade so useless
- the end of the free 5L ra ability (u'll have to buy it)
- the end of the ichor (u just have to cry)

-> VW will be unplayable if u arent high rr

that will take away everything that gives me the slightest chance to kill anything at the moment

You should have had a look at this forum before creating your character. 3 Month ago when I started on Hib we checked the forum if VW is a viable option. And since we thought Old RA is coming soon (haha ) we kicked the VW and rolled an Eld =)

Not sure why everyone says Vwer will be useless with Old RA's. Dodger enough said, you almost untouchable in melee. Just because you loose Ichor of the Deep your telling me the class is unplayable?

I'd love to watch a stealther attack you when you have Maxed Evade, Maxed Parry and they have no Viper.

IP is only 14pts now for 100% heal too, stealthers stand almost no chance.

Also being able to swing a Scythe 5.0 at 1.5 speed is rather crazy.

So saying this class is useless is untrue.

Patch 1.69 kicks in all your crazy styles will be gone and your lvl 50 style the 4th in a combo thats why VW will suck.

Who cares it's already a ****** style with high endo use, with a start style that give 0 bonus damage. So drop scythe to 44 and up Aboreal or Parry even more for max parry.

Drakons20 wrote:IP is only 14pts now for 100% heal too, stealthers stand almost no chance.

Also being able to swing a Scythe 5.0 at 1.5 speed is rather crazy.

So saying this class is useless is untrue.

IP will be 14 points + First Aid 2 as a pre-requisite ... so it is a total of 23 points ... on 30 minutes reuse.
So yeah, every 30 minutes you can inc a stealther and he will have no chances

VW suffers alot from being an hybrid class ... with current RAs hib groups are mainly melee groups, with old RAs we'll see caster groups too ... neither group needs a VW actually. It's a good class ? yes, it is great for soloing (lol at soloing on Uthgard) and will find his place in pugs. Anyway it's a funny and not boring class at all to play, that is the most important thing.

You still will hand a stealther their butts, with all the other passive abilities. You guys really don't understand how powerful Dodger is apparently. Wait till it happens then try to kill a Valewalker or Friar.

LOL to all of the above 4 pages, VWs get groups all the time and there awsome dps , this forum should be called,
" the negative people who play daoc, representing 15% of the uthgard population"

Good VWs know not to use AOE moves , to peal healers when there being attacked, and to generally kick peoples asses basically the same role as the blademaster except VWs can take more dmg with there absord buff/armor buff / absorb proc , making them actually take less dmg then most tanks because of the evade 4 , and decent parry,

flame all you want but go play a VW to atleast 40 and tell me they are useless and not nessasary and i will LOL in your face

the other 85% of us have our own opinions and this thread doesn't represent what hibernian's population as a whole thinks