Hi everybody
I read some post about the vw and i wanna know which is the best spec for 8vs8, some people will write something like to change class but i like this and i wanna know some advice for this.
I read that the role of a vw is
A. Stun targets
B. Interrupt
C. Assist on the overextended

The two common spec are:
50scythe 43arb rest in parry
49arb 44scythe rest in parry

Pro 50scythe:
-A little bit of damage in plus with +6point in scythe
-The style conflagration

Weak 50scythe:
-A little bit less damage with the Lt
-Only 34% of self haste
-30% chance of disease instead 35%
-much resist with the istant spell

Pro 49arb:
-A little bit of damage in plus with the Lt
-39% self haste
-35% disease chance ( good because with this spec you go less in melee well with a 35% of chance if you go in melee you give for sure the disease)
-Last istant snare well less resist

Weak 49arb:
-A little bit less damage with scythe
-No conflagration style


i see that the vw that go in middle of the action is a dead vw... Well like a defensive tank that stay back and help the suppoter and interrupt from the distance and when necessary go in hard damage assist...
For this role isn't better the second spec? he can do more damage while interrupting with the lt and deal around the same damage with the scythe with the 39% self haste, cap quick and a 3.5speed scythe cap the 1.5s swing speed well nice damage too with the side chain... The only lack is the miss of conflagration style...

Conflag is way too good to not use it!

It has a GR of 1,44 AND a dd with delve 95. (DD Hits for 150-190 buffed)
Thats your main source of dmg as a VW!

43 arb and 49 ard doesnt make such a big difference imo.

AND 43 arb isnt that useful anyways, 38 is enough so you have some Parry too.
You need just a few points in Arb in your Temp to make the Variance less, INT is your main dmg source for the LT.


I´m running with 50 Scythe 38 Arb 20 Parry and it works pretty good, I´m Grpsecc RA wise atm...

Gartenkralle wrote:Conflag is way too good to not use it!

It has a GR of 1,44 AND a dd with delve 95. (DD Hits for 150-190 buffed)
Thats your main source of dmg as a VW!

43 arb and 49 ard doesnt make such a big difference imo.

AND 43 arb isnt that useful anyways, 38 is enough so you have some Parry too.
You need just a few points in Arb in your Temp to make the Variance less, INT is your main dmg source for the LT.


I´m running with 50 Scythe 38 Arb 20 Parry and it works pretty good, I´m Grpsecc RA wise atm...

I'm my tp i cap all well is no problem for me... And for parry in 8vs8 is near useless well prefer reach the composite with arb... For the confragration yeah is true but for me is very easy do the side chain( more damage) and the vw can't go around how he like... Because don't have stoicism well you can't go in the middle of the fight... Well i think will use less conflag then the side combo... With 49arb you have some tips for enhance the damage melee (self haste) and more damage with the lt always good.. With this spec you're like a mage with a chain armor(34abs buff but less af) with a anytime stun (for me back is an anytime) and insane melee damage with side combo... Not bad i think... But maybe you're in right! I say my opinion eheh

Stunning enemys is pretty easy thats true, I do that easily too ^^

Thing is Sidechain is 3 Styles AND ae, sometimes its not bad but often your just a CC breaker with that.

And Conflag is just a 2 Style Chain, so overall you do more dmg to 1 Target.


But you can try it out!
I think ill never Respec Skill, or I will when OLD Ras come ^^ Cause Conflag will be 4th Style of Evade chain then lolol

Gartenkralle wrote:
Thing is Sidechain is 3 Styles and Conflag is just a 2 Style Chain, so overall you do more dmg to 1 Target.

False.
GR of the 3 Styles chain = 0.89 - 0.89 - 0.89 + 198DD
GR of the 2 Styles chain = 0 - 1.44 + 95DD
Example of damage with the same number of Styles and same time with Base Melee Damage of 100:
3 Styles each: 189 + 189 + 189/198 (765Damage) vs 100 + 244/95 + 100 (539Damage)
6 Styles each: 189 + 189 + 189/198 + 189 + 189 + 189/198 (1530Damage) vs 100 + 244/95 + 100 + 244/95+ 100 + 244/95 (1317Damage)

Gartenkralle wrote:but often your just a CC breaker with that.

True.
Much time if you break the CC is because go too much deep in the battlefield. But yes can happen.

Gartenkralle wrote:I think ill never Respec Skill, or I will when OLD Ras come ^^ Cause Conflag will be 4th Style of Evade chain then lolol

Trishin say clearly that the OLD RAs don't come. They have abbandoned the project long time ago because is too much difficult.

Explosia wrote:...

In the all the time i played DAoC i see many VW with this spec, and is not bad.
But all depend how like you play.
There are two play styles of this spec.

1) CasterWannaBe: You are a caster. use the LT like a DD. a VW in the classic patch can reach the 35%-37% normally of - Speed Cast Reduction without Aug Dex 5 / a Lurikeen/Elf Caster reach 56-57% with Aug Dex 5.
Well you cast your LT at 1.875s-1.825s instead 2.5s Full Buffed/Full Cap, A Lurikeen/Elf Caster cast Spec DD at 1.23s-1.20s instead 2.8s.
The delve of the LT is 164Damage (50% of Damage go in Self Heal and that is good for improve the survivability) / the delve of the Spec DD is 209, well the difference of damage is (without count the INT Bonus) near the 34-35% with the VW without Aug Dex, near 27-28% with Aug Dex 5 in the SAME time.
Well, your damage is less then a common Caster, but you are not only a Caster and this is a pro point, you can Stun and with the Side Chain do an insane damage in Melee.
Second pro point, you have a lot, a lot more survivability then a Caster, the 34% ABS Buff allow you to take the damage similar that a Chain one take and Ablative Self Buff + Full Ablative Armor = Ablative up very much time.

2) Melee/Caster : Is the classic gameplay of a VW (Interrupt, Stun, Snare & Assist when necessary) but you don't have Conflagration Style and do a bit more damage with the LT, the last Self Haste is lovely for Cap the Swing Speed and do more time the Side Chain.

You have to take into account that it´s easier to land a 2 Style Chain than a 3 Style chain!

So I would still say you have more Dmg Output with Conflag AND its Anytime and not Positional.
Of course its pretty easy to only sidestyle, but it doesn´t work all the time


Sure vs Albs I can 3 hit a Caster with Sidechain (if he gets no Heals) With Conflag it wont be possible but still you can brake lots of CC. But often the 3rd hit gets blocked or Autobubble kicks in again.


And for the spec, on this Patchlevel it doesn´t really help to put more than 38 points into Arb, because you dont get Castdisease. With some Arb in temp you get 45 Arboreal pretty easy, so the Variance is pretty low, you don´t really need the bigger haste, cause with a fast Scythe you are on Capspeed anyways, or pretty close ^^

Only thing that might help would be the Snare that won´t get resisted that often, cause thats a pain in the ass

If prefer try to land the Side Chain and have the possibility of double the DPS that do always and no sense the Conflagration Combo.

You reach the cap (1.5s) ONLY with a Mooncrested War Scythe (3.5s) with 75Quickness and the 39% of Haste, well don't say noob thing.

And have more then 38 in Arboreal:
1) Improve the damage of LT and grant the access at best Buff and Instant
2) More utility then Parry that is near useless because you use it one time every 30inc

Well, please if you wanna give some advice try to do it good

Id agree with both sides of this debate. 50scythe is nice for conflag, and high arb is nice for caster toys. But from my view 49 arb is too high to give up conflag. The dot isn't something damage wise that'll turn the tide of battle - and depending on situation is a bad idea breaking cc. The snare seems weak imo but works for its interrupt purpose. And for me 3.5 scythe + 34% haste is good enogh for me for 30s. If I respec it'll be 50scythe 43arb 0parry. Enough of the arb goodies to interrupt and increase Lt and conflag is still there when you can't land side chain but want to dump good damage.

hevi wrote:You reach the cap (1.5s) ONLY with a Mooncrested War Scythe (3.5s) with 75Quickness and the 39% of Haste, well don't say noob thing.

Well Hi there Mister Insult....

Gartenkralle wrote:you don´t really need the bigger haste, cause with a fast Scythe you are on Capspeed anyways, or pretty close ^^

So you have much experience playing a VW on Uthgard I guess

The "better" Buffs wont help much the Ablative get 20 more HP, it´s okay.
The Disease Proc procs a bit more often, but you lose soo much DMG output.

And the Instants wont help much more either ^^
The dot will do 3 more dmg or so and wont get resisted that often anymore (sucks)
Snare wont get resisted so often too, but usualy a Root is better ^^


The dmg of the Lifetab will get a boost of maybe 10-20 dmg i guess
That wont make you a much better Caster.

haha telling Garten sth about noob VW, know your enemie Mr Troll

pweet wrote: know your enemy

This song is way too old for some of the Players here

Mr insult? Ahah cute! And where is this insult? Now say:"don't say stupid things" is an insult? Oh i'm sorry kid

And when you put high Arboreal, ok you have better Buff/Istant but the real reason is for improve the LT Damage and is not 10-20Damage mate, 11point are near 33Damage (Maybe a little more) of variance... So, if you wanna use this play style i think is good enough...( And -6 in Scythe after the Composite is not a "great lose in the dps" ahah )
When i see a VW that play 8vs8 and spec in Parry i begin to laugh...
And you can use the VW on Uthgard or on Live since the 2004, but i know people that play since the BETA and still noob, i'm don't speaking about you, i don't know how you play or other thing, but in this topic you say much incorrect tips.
And you are speaking with a player that love too the Conflagration style, but the User that write the Topic say clearly that prefer the spec 49arb/ 44s...
Well stop Flame that this Topic beginning to be useless.
In the end:
You wanna play like a Caster? You can. The 49/44 is the way, but you must know that your highest damage output is not the LT and when someone get overextended you must go in melee.

You wanna play common? 50/43 is the way, Parry is near useless in 8vs8, good LT damage when you are Rooted or someone Kite and
Max damage output with the scythe.
But remember you are not a BM, you can't go inside the battlefield and do what you want (lack of Stoicism)... Your job is stun the opponents that overextend to try to reach the Caster/Supporter and put on they a insane DMG output. When you can't do this, interrupt better as you can if no one ask you your Assist Help...

hevi wrote:Mr insult? Ahah cute! And where is this insult? Now say:"don't say stupid things" is an insult? Oh i'm sorry kid

And when you put high Arboreal, ok you have better Buff/Istant but the real reason is for improve the LT Damage and is not 10-20Damage mate, 11point are near 33Damage (Maybe a little more) of variance... So, if you wanna use this play style i think is good enough...( And -6 in Scythe after the Composite is not a "great lose in the dps" ahah )
When i see a VW that play 8vs8 and spec in Parry i begin to laugh...
And you can use the VW on Uthgard or on Live since the 2004, but i know people that play since the BETA and still noob, i'm don't speaking about you, i don't know how you play or other thing, but in this topic you say much incorrect tips.
And you are speaking with a player that love too the Conflagration style, but the User that write the Topic say clearly that prefer the spec 49arb/ 44s...
Well stop Flame that this Topic beginning to be useless.
In the end:
You wanna play like a Caster? You can. The 49/44 is the way, but you must know that your highest damage output is not the LT and when someone get overextended you must go in melee.

You wanna play common? 50/43 is the way, Parry is near useless in 8vs8, good LT damage when you are Rooted or someone Kite and
Max damage output with the scythe.
But remember you are not a BM, you can't go inside the battlefield and do what you want (lack of Stoicism)... Your job is stun the opponents that overextend to try to reach the Caster/Supporter and put on they a insane DMG output. When you can't do this, interrupt better as you can if no one ask you your Assist Help...

thx very much you answer at my question and you say always some data to compare and some examples

pweet wrote:haha telling Garten sth about noob VW, know your enemie Mr Troll

You are the first noob here this is based only for what you say in my post, but garten too don't seems much expert lol

Yeah, what would a 9L1 Valewalker know about their class anyway!