I'm pretty familiar with the usual Hib setup but with VW's ability to interrupt at range either via instants or nukes (rooted), is there a role in a group for a VW in an e-main 8 man?

Are there any out there that choose to run a VW over a BM? How has your success been? I'm considering rolling a VW alt to solo some pvp but I don't want to exclude groups, nor do I want to be excluded because I'm not a needed class in 8 man.

Thanks for your time and input

The problem with vw is that it has no stoicism, means you'll stay in mezz/root forever, yes you can rupt while being rooted but that's not really much dps compared to a blademaster with det5 and stoicism that gets out of root and mezz almost instantly especially with resists from warden.
Valewalker is viable in grp but rarely picked/favored by people.

VW has pretty high DMG Spikes, you can 3hit an enemy Caster now and then, when no DI up or healer in rupt.

But Nef pretty much sums it up, the lack of Stoicism is pretty annoying, but still VW can be pretty good.


You just need some RR to get effective.

det5, lw1/2, Ichor2, mopain2-x and and and...

When i was more active here I played with my 9l2 VW in groups, it was pretty nice usualy, cause you do sooo much dmg.
A BM will never reach the dmg output of a VW, the biggest problem is still the lack of Stoicism, so overall the BM does more dmg, cause you wont be in Root/Mezz that long.

Well and he got no charge as well

Blabla.

If you play it right it's very good. You can stay back with the Eld and kill overextended Tanks within seconds (If you got lucky crits and good Shears you can 3-Hit a Zerker ;p)

You can also try to go assisting, but that's bad cause of no stoicism.

You can rupt pretty good and with the right temp (int cap!) you can even nuke down a supporter while rooted (I killed several supporters with nukes only).

If you good a good demezzer and Det5 or Purge 3 you can be a really really good addition in a grp.
But most ppl here don't realize that.

Ah and you got a very nice rr5 for grp. And you wear cloth, so no +dmg from any weapon.


You can't say BM>Vale cause it would be like BM>Warden cause Warden deals no dmg and has no Stoi.
But like the Warden, Valewalker is a totally different playstyle and another role.

Vale is VERY good and powerful in grps, but nearly nobody here pays attention to that


Only real con-point besides the missing stoicism is the wrong Weaponskill. You can stop hit a target as soon as it's guarded.

Go for it, more Vales on Uth!!!

Finalement wrote:Blabla.
You can't say BM>Vale cause it would be like BM>Warden cause Warden deals no dmg and has no Stoi.

What kind of comparison is that ? Warden has it's spot in hib grps due to the massive utility plus heal power. there is no really good solution of building a grp around a valewalker.
You would have to cut either a Blademaster, warden or eld and every of these classes performs better than a Valewalker.

If you cut a BM and stay in the back with the valewalker your bm is just going to either die to one caster+slammer or can't do nothing and has to play really defensive

If replacing a warden you'd loose resists,bladeturn,massive heals and ra's like twf (which is the only real counter to a moc theurg)

Replacing the eld for valewalker would mean less dps,less support (petclear) less disruption (nearsight, disease,snare)

I hate to try and play both sides of the fence, but you are both right to a degree.

Finalment is right to a degree in that having a VW in your group does not mean it will be a loss and when played well and spec'd well can even be an asset to a group. Nef is right in the sense that I would think if you play a VW then you have to eliminate another spot and what you eliminate will perform better at its given task then a VW would. If you sub it out for BM then allthough it can deal as much dmg in bursts it can also be CC'd alot more easily and in 90% of fights the BM will outproduce what a VW could do. If you replace Eld for VW'r then once again, the Eld is much better at interupt and utility in a group setting then VW.

Basically, having a VW'r in a group is alot like having a ranger in a group. It can work, and even be deadly when done right, but it will never be as effective as the normal Hib set up with 2xDruid, Bard, Hero, BM, BM, Eld, Warden/BM. Its not that it cant be done and done well, its just that all things considered the above set up is prolly the most efficient.

If replacing a warden you'd loose resists,bladeturn,massive heals and ra's like twf (which is the only real counter to a moc theurg)

8/10, would laugh histerically again. MASSIVE HEALS was my favorite part.

bawww wrote:

If replacing a warden you'd loose resists,bladeturn,massive heals and ra's like twf (which is the only real counter to a moc theurg)

8/10, would laugh histerically again. MASSIVE HEALS was my favorite part.

Warden is our main healer you douche, but that's another topic. Please ask for my permission to quote me via pm, thanks.

bawww wrote:

If replacing a warden you'd loose resists,bladeturn,massive heals and ra's like twf (which is the only real counter to a moc theurg)

8/10, would laugh histerically again. MASSIVE HEALS was my favorite part.

Then you should propably go back to the daoc school. You can learn a lot

Back to topic. As Cait already stated there are several better options then grouping a Valewalker. This doesn't mean that vws are useless, but that there are better choices for sure.

Nef Melody wrote:Warden is our main healer you douche

Irrelevant, just shows how bad the current situation on the server is.

Nef Melody wrote:Please ask for my permission to quote me via pm, thanks.

Sure thing buddy, but then you have to send your posts to me before posting so I can make sure you aren't pooposting again.

Xedie wrote:Then you should propably go back to the daoc school. You can learn a lot

VW works, just a matter of will and coordination inside the group.

GreenP wrote:VW works, just a matter of will and coordination inside the group.

+1 ^^
2vw + 2bm are nice with 3 druids !D

cmon baww dont troll around, you just showed u ve no idea of uthgard 8v8

GreenP wrote:VW works, just a matter of will and coordination inside the group.

This.
But nearly nobody does.
Nothing more to say