Hi guys,

Please find below my first attempt in regards to my bard template.

It will be specced 43 nurture, 33regrowth 37 music

TARGET :
- be as cheap as possible, although :
--> integrate MP instruments (for twisting)

- cap everything, and especially :
--> const, dex, charisma, HP, resists
--> 26 POW
--> 75 quickness for evade
--> 11 regrowth for better heals
--> 4 nurture (with RR4, this gives 43+4+4 = 51 in nurture -- which means buffs are caped)

- i don't plan to draw my sword -- i.e. no strength needed.

RESULT

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Stats
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  STR:  0  / 75      INT:  0  / 75      Hits:  204  / 200     
  CON:  75  / 75      PIE:  0  / 75      End:  0  / 25
  DEX:  77  / 75      EMP:  0  / 75      Pow:  26  / 26   
  QUI:  75  / 75      CHA:  75  / 75

Resists
------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Body:  26  / 26      Energy:  24  / 26      Crush:  27  / 26  (+2) 
  Cold:  26  / 26      Matter:  24  / 26      Slash:  27  / 26  (+3) 
  Heat:  27  / 26      Spirit:  27  / 26  (+5)    Thrust:  27  / 26   
  Essence:  0  / 26   

Skills
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  4  / 11  Nurture
  11  / 11  Regrowth


PROS :
- almost all my requirements in terms of cap are met
- jewelry doesn't seem expensive from what I have seen in housing

CONS :
- no fancy charge
- 3 MP armor parts are required... I would have prefered to have 2 parts max (boots + gloves)
- energy and matter are not capped and many other resists are overcapped... I have tried my best but I can't fix that :\ I can probably drop a bit of spirit.


ITEMS

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Chest
Name: Crafted Item1
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Imbue Points: 33.5 of 32 Overcharge: 1,5
  Gem 1:  4  Regrowth Skill - Flawed Watery Nature Spell Stone
  Gem 2:  16  Quickness - Polished Airy Essence Jewel
  Gem 3:  9  Thrust Resist - Polished Airy Shielding Jewel
  Gem 4:  36  Hits - Imperfect Blood Essence Jewel
Utility: 57.7 SC Cost: 23g 22s 60c SC Price: 23g 22s 60c


Arms
Name: Crafted Item2
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 Overcharge: 5,5
  Gem 1:  16  Charisma - Polished Icy Essence Jewel
  Gem 2:  9  Crush Resist - Polished Fiery Shielding Jewel
  Gem 3:  9  Cold Resist - Polished Icy Shielding Jewel
  Gem 4:  9  Slash Resist - Polished Watery Shielding Jewel
Utility: 64.7 SC Cost: 35g 68s 20c SC Price: 35g 68s 20c


Head
Name: Crafted Item3
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Imbue Points: 33.0 of 32 Overcharge: 1
  Gem 1:  9  Cold Resist - Polished Icy Shielding Jewel
  Gem 2:  9  Crush Resist - Polished Fiery Shielding Jewel
  Gem 3:  9  Power - Polished Mystical Essence Jewel
  Gem 4:  2  Thrust Resist - Uncut Airy Shielding Jewel
Utility: 46.0 SC Cost: 26g 85s 20c SC Price: 26g 85s 20c


Legs
Name: Crafted Item4
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Imbue Points: 37.0 of 32 Overcharge: 5
  Gem 1:  28  Constitution - Perfect Earthen Essence Jewel
  Gem 2:  9  Energy Resist - Polished Light Shielding Jewel
  Gem 3:  7  Spirit Resist - Imperfect Vapor Shielding Jewel
  Gem 4:  5  Power - Flawed Mystical Essence Jewel
Utility: 54.0 SC Cost: 44g 3s 80c SC Price: 44g 3s 80c


Hands
Name: Crafted Item5
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 Overcharge: 5,5
  Gem 1:  25  Constitution - Flawless Earthen Essence Jewel
  Gem 2:  4  Nurture Skill - Flawed Fiery Nature Spell Stone
  Gem 3:  3  Regrowth Skill - Rough Watery Nature Spell Stone
  Gem 4:  9  Slash Resist - Polished Watery Shielding Jewel
Utility: 69.7 SC Cost: 36g 53s 20c SC Price: 36g 53s 20c


Feet
Name: Crafted Item6
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 Overcharge: 5,5
  Gem 1:  7  Heat Resist - Imperfect Heated Shielding Jewel
  Gem 2:  4  Regrowth Skill - Flawed Watery Nature Spell Stone
  Gem 3:  9  Thrust Resist - Polished Airy Shielding Jewel
  Gem 4:  9  Slash Resist - Polished Watery Shielding Jewel
Utility: 70.0 SC Cost: 23g 28s 0c SC Price: 23g 28s 0c


2 Handed
Name: Crafted Item9
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 Overcharge: 5,5
  Gem 1:  25  Quickness - Flawless Airy Essence Jewel
  Gem 2:  25  Charisma - Flawless Icy Essence Jewel
  Gem 3:  7  Matter Resist - Imperfect Earthen Shielding Jewel
  Gem 4:  7  Body Resist - Imperfect Dusty Shielding Jewel
Utility: 61.3 SC Cost: 59g 71s 60c SC Price: 59g 71s 60c


Neck
Name: Exquisite Infernal Black Diamond Necklace
Level: 51 Quality: 99
  Slot 1:  48  Hits
  Slot 2:  7  Energy Resist
  Slot 3:  7  Thrust Resist
  Slot 4:  7  Body Resist
Utility: 54.0


Cloak
Name: Alifa Caster Cloak
Level: 51 Quality: 99
  Slot 1:  19  Dexterity
  Slot 2:  19  Acuity
  Slot 3:  9  Crush Resist
  Slot 4:  9  Matter Resist
Utility: 61.3


Jewel
Name: Book of Arcane Dealings
Level: 51 Quality: 99
  Slot 1:  8  Cold Resist
  Slot 2:  8  Heat Resist
  Slot 3:  8  Matter Resist
  Slot 4:  6  Power
Utility: 52.0


Belt
Name: Skeaganshee Fighting Belt
Level: 51 Quality: 99
  Slot 1:  22  Constitution
  Slot 2:  22  Dexterity
  Slot 3:  22  Quickness
  Slot 4:  40  Hits
Utility: 54.0


Left Ring
Name: Glimmer Spirit Band
Level: 51 Quality: 99
  Slot 1:  6  Quickness
  Slot 2:  6  Heat Resist
  Slot 3:  6  Spirit Resist
  Slot 4:  6  Body Resist
Utility: 40.0


Right Ring
Name: Glimmer Spirit Band
Level: 51 Quality: 99
  Slot 1:  6  Quickness
  Slot 2:  6  Heat Resist
  Slot 3:  6  Spirit Resist
  Slot 4:  6  Body Resist
Utility: 40.0


Left Wrist
Name: Midar's Dex
Level: 51 Quality: 99
  Slot 1:  21  Dexterity
  Slot 2:  20  Hits
  Slot 3:  8  Spirit Resist
  Slot 4:  8  Energy Resist
Utility: 51.0


Right Wrist
Name: Dazzling Verdant Bracer
Level: 51 Quality: 99
  Slot 1:  15  Dexterity
  Slot 2:  15  Acuity
  Slot 3:  60  Hits
  Slot 4:  6  Power
Utility: 39.0


Once I have your feedback and once the template is finalized, I'll add it in the appropriate thread.

Thanks !

Pat

those 75 quick for better evade result in a very very low extra % evade, something you could definatly make cheaper

Thanks for your answer.

I investigated a bit more here : viewtopic.php?f=65&t=20102
and found the formula.

With +15dex at creation and after some calculation :

+75 dex/qui on the template (unbuff) gives 4,625% extra evade probability
+75 dex on the template (unbuff) gives 3,375% extra evade probability.

Which means that 75 qui only brings 1,3% more evade.

Very slim indeed. :\

Frinjans Temp is very nice:

Frinjan wrote:my favorite bard template is with caped music skill and used 1 mp part:

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Moras Craftreport

Statistics
STR:21/75 CON:76/75 DEX:84/75
QUI:0/75 INT:7/75 PIE:0/75
CHA:76/75 EMP:22/75
Hits:200/200
Power:26/26
AF:0/50

Resistances
Body: 27
Cold: 27
Heat: 27
Energy: 26
Matter: 26
Spirit: 26
Crush: 27
Slash: 26
Thrust: 26

Skills
Regrowth: 11
Nurture: 6
Music: 11

Bonuses

Chest (zz):
Imbue: 33.0/28 (Quality: 99)
25 Constitution
60 Hits
9 Crush Resist
1 All Magic Skill
Utility: 56.7
TOA Utility: 0.0

Arms:
Imbue: 33.0/28 (Quality: 99)
13 Charisma
11 Thrust Resist
9 Slash Resist
1 All Magic Skill
Utility: 57.0
TOA Utility: 0.0

Head:
Imbue: 32.0/28 (Quality: 99)
22 Charisma
9 Slash Resist
9 Body Resist
1 All Magic Skill
Utility: 48.7
TOA Utility: 0.0

Legs:
Imbue: 32.5/28 (Quality: 99)
9 Power
9 Heat Resist
7 Spirit Resist
2 Regrowth
Utility: 62.0
TOA Utility: 0.0

Hands:
Imbue: 33.0/28 (Quality: 99)
2 Music
11 Body Resist
11 Spirit Resist
1 All Magic Skill
Utility: 58.7
TOA Utility: 0.0

Feet:
Imbue: 37.0/32 (Quality: 100)
52 Hits
11 Energy Resist
11 Power
1 All Magic Skill
Utility: 54.7
TOA Utility: 0.0

Ranged:
Imbue: 32.5/28 (Quality: 99)
9 Crush Resist
9 Cold Resist
9 Matter Resist
1 All Magic Skill
Utility: 54.0
TOA Utility: 0.0

Neck (Exquisite Infernal Black Diamonds Necklace):

7 Energy Resist
7 Body Resist
7 Thrust Resist
48 Hits
Utility: 54.0
TOA Utility: 0.0

Cloak (Blessed Cloak of Alifa):

19 Acuity
19 Dexterity
9 Crush Resist
9 Matter Resist
Utility: 61.3
TOA Utility: 0.0

Jewel (Book of Arcane Dealings):

8 Cold Resist
8 Matter Resist
6 Power
8 Heat Resist
Utility: 60.0
TOA Utility: 0.0

Belt (Skeagshee melodic belt):

22 Constitution
22 Dexterity
22 Charisma
3 Music
Utility: 59.0
TOA Utility: 0.0

Left Ring (Orey Eyed Healthy Ring):

3 Regrowth
22 Constitution
22 Dexterity
22 Empathy
Utility: 44.5
TOA Utility: 0.0

Right Ring (Ring of Elements):

7 Constitution
7 Intelligence
10 Cold Resist
10 Heat Resist
Utility: 44.7
TOA Utility: 0.0

Left Wrist (Midar's Bracer of Strength):

21 Strength
20 Hits
8 Thrust Resist
8 Slash Resist

Utility: 51.0
TOA Utility: 0.0

Right Wrist (Midar's Bracer of Dexterity):

21 Dexterity
20 Hits
8 Spirit Resist
8 Energy Resist
Utility: 51.0
TOA Utility: 0.0

edit: and drum+lute should be mp. some people say 1mp is enough, but i doesnt work for me; i guess it depends on internet connection

and if defensepenetration will ever come on uthgard, i assume you bard will have in group fights a chance near zero to evade any tank

What's the point of having +music ?

Uvea wrote:What's the point of having +music ?

dd dmg. pewpew

Uvea wrote:Thanks for your answer.

I investigated a bit more here : viewtopic.php?f=65&t=20102
and found the formula.

With +15dex at creation and after some calculation :

+75 dex/qui on the template (unbuff) gives 4,625% extra evade probability
+75 dex on the template (unbuff) gives 3,375% extra evade probability.

Which means that 75 qui only brings 1,3% more evade.

Very slim indeed. :\

Dex and Qui give the same EXACT bonus to your evading chance. Therefore it's impossible that +75 dex, by itself, gives a different bonus than +75 qui, always by itself.

Probably you misinterpretated the calculations you have read. In that case, if +75 dex gave 3,375% bonus, then also +75 qui alone would give same exact bonus.

Note also that on Uthgard the rule is a little different. There's no hard cap for the sum of dex+qui. On live it was reported to be a total 500 from that sum, here all your dex and qui "go fully into your evade calculation" (Blue cit.)

Source: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=25395&p=235622#p235622

Btw, nice TP!

(I just don't like too much those 39/40 utility drops)

Badtzmaru wrote:Dex and Qui give the same EXACT bonus to your evading chance. Therefore it's impossible that +75 dex, by itself, gives a different bonus than +75 qui, always by itself.

Probably you misinterpretated the calculations you have read. In that case, if +75 dex gave 3,375% bonus, then also +75 qui alone would give same exact bonus.

No my calculation is right. It is just my post that is not clear.

In any case, there is a 10% evade rate thanks to Evade II. Let's skip that.

The calculation is made with the stats unbuffed at lvl 50 of a bard.

Stats are : base dex (75 -- 15 dex at the creation) + base quick (60) + temp dex (75) + temp quick (either 0 or 75).

Which is in total : 210 (0 quick) vs 285 (75 quick).

So if I rely on the formula given on the previous link, the result is :
- in the first case : (210-100) / 40 = 3,375% evade given by dex/qui
- in the second case : (285 - 100) / 40 = 4,625% evade given by dex/qui

And thus the 1,3% difference unbuffed.

The difference tends to increase when the bard is buffed but it remains very limited (around 2% difference fully buffed with a 322dex bard with dexIII).

Hi guys,

As +75 quick only brings between 1,3% and 1,8% evade at 50, I have slightly modified my template. I don't want to struggle to have +music, that's useless.

PROS :
- D/Q and DD charges
- cheaper than the previous one (only 2 items are MP)

CONS
- ?

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Stats
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  STR:  0  / 75      INT:  7  / 75      Hits:  204  / 200      AF:  0  /
50   
  CON:  76  / 75      PIE:  0  / 75      End:  0  / 25   
  DEX:  80  / 75      EMP:  22  / 75      Pow:  26  / 26   
  QUI:  16  / 75      CHA:  75  / 75      %PP:  0%  / 25%   

Resists
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  Body:  26  / 26      Energy:  24  / 26      Crush:  26  / 26  (+2) 
  Cold:  26  / 26      Matter:  27  / 26      Slash:  27  / 26  (+3) 
  Heat:  26  / 26      Spirit:  26  / 26  (+5)    Thrust:  26  / 26   
  Essence:  0  / 26   

Skills
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  3  / 11  Music
  4  / 11  Nurture
  11  / 11  Regrowth
  2  / 11  Stealth


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Piece Listing
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Chest
Name: Crafted Item1
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Imbue Points: 33.0 of 32 Overcharge: 1
  Gem 1:  25  Constitution - Flawless Earthen Essence Jewel
  Gem 2:  9  Slash Resist - Polished Watery Shielding Jewel
  Gem 3:  5  Matter Resist - Flawed Earthen Shielding Jewel
  Gem 4:  5  Thrust Resist - Flawed Airy Shielding Jewel
Utility: 54.7 SC Cost: 37g 56s 80c SC Price: 37g 56s 80c


Arms
Name: Crafted Item2
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Imbue Points: 33.5 of 32 Overcharge: 1,5
  Gem 1:  22  Charisma - Precious Icy Essence Jewel
  Gem 2:  9  Power - Polished Mystical Essence Jewel
  Gem 3:  7  Matter Resist - Imperfect Earthen Shielding Jewel
  Gem 4:  5  Body Resist - Flawed Dusty Shielding Jewel
Utility: 44.7 SC Cost: 34g 23s 20c SC Price: 34g 23s 20c


Head
Name: Crafted Item3
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Imbue Points: 33.0 of 32 Overcharge: 1
  Gem 1:  4  Regrowth Skill - Flawed Watery Nature Spell Stone
  Gem 2:  7  Body Resist - Imperfect Dusty Shielding Jewel
  Gem 3:  7  Spirit Resist - Imperfect Vapor Shielding Jewel
  Gem 4:  7  Crush Resist - Imperfect Fiery Shielding Jewel
Utility: 62.0 SC Cost: 13g 49s 20c SC Price: 13g 49s 20c


Legs
Name: Crafted Item4
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Imbue Points: 33.5 of 32 Overcharge: 1,5
  Gem 1:  4  Nurture Skill - Flawed Fiery Nature Spell Stone
  Gem 2:  5  Thrust Resist - Flawed Airy Shielding Jewel
  Gem 3:  7  Crush Resist - Imperfect Fiery Shielding Jewel
  Gem 4:  9  Matter Resist - Polished Earthen Shielding Jewel
Utility: 62.0 SC Cost: 15g 76s 0c SC Price: 15g 76s 0c


Hands
Name: Crafted Item5
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Imbue Points: 37.0 of 32 Overcharge: 5
  Gem 1:  76  Hits - Perfect Blood Essence Jewel
  Gem 2:  5  Power - Flawed Mystical Essence Jewel
  Gem 3:  7  Body Resist - Imperfect Dusty Shielding Jewel
  Gem 4:  9  Energy Resist - Polished Light Shielding Jewel
Utility: 54.3 SC Cost: 44g 3s 80c SC Price: 44g 3s 80c


Feet
Name: Crafted Item6
Level: 51 Quality: 100
Imbue Points: 37.5 of 32 Overcharge: 5,5
  Gem 1:  7  Crush Resist - Imperfect Fiery Shielding Jewel
  Gem 2:  4  Regrowth Skill - Flawed Watery Nature Spell Stone
  Gem 3:  9  Spirit Resist - Polished Vapor Shielding Jewel
  Gem 4:  9  Slash Resist - Polished Watery Shielding Jewel
Utility: 70.0 SC Cost: 23g 28s 0c SC Price: 23g 28s 0c


2 Handed
Name: Crafted Item9
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Imbue Points: 33.5 of 32 Overcharge: 1,5
  Gem 1:  16  Charisma - Polished Icy Essence Jewel
  Gem 2:  5  Crush Resist - Flawed Fiery Shielding Jewel
  Gem 3:  9  Thrust Resist - Polished Airy Shielding Jewel
  Gem 4:  9  Slash Resist - Polished Watery Shielding Jewel
Utility: 56.7 SC Cost: 28g 16s 20c SC Price: 28g 16s 20c


Neck
Name: Exquisite Infernal Black Diamond Necklace
Level: 51 Quality: 99
  Slot 1:  48  Hits
  Slot 2:  7  Energy Resist
  Slot 3:  7  Thrust Resist
  Slot 4:  7  Body Resist
Utility: 54.0


Cloak
Name: Pooka Lord's Mantel
Level: 51 Quality: 99
  Slot 1:  16  Quickness
  Slot 2:  2  Stealth Skill
  Slot 3:  8  Cold Resist
  Slot 4:  8  Heat Resist
Utility: 52.7


Jewel
Name: Book of Arcane Dealings
Level: 51 Quality: 99
  Slot 1:  8  Cold Resist
  Slot 2:  8  Heat Resist
  Slot 3:  8  Matter Resist
  Slot 4:  6  Power
Utility: 52.0


Belt
Name: Skeaganshee Melodic Belt
Level: 51 Quality: 99
  Slot 1:  22  Constitution
  Slot 2:  22  Dexterity
  Slot 3:  22  Charisma
  Slot 4:  3  Music Skill
Utility: 59.0


Left Ring
Name: Orey Eyed Healthy Ring
Level: 51 Quality: 99
  Slot 1:  22  Dexterity
  Slot 2:  22  Constitution
  Slot 3:  22  Empathy
  Slot 4:  3  Regrowth Skill
Utility: 59.0


Right Ring
Name: Ring of Elements
Level: 51 Quality: 99
  Slot 1:  7  Constitution
  Slot 2:  7  Intelligence
  Slot 3:  10  Cold Resist
  Slot 4:  10  Heat Resist
Utility: 49.3


Left Wrist
Name: Midar's Dex
Level: 51 Quality: 99
  Slot 1:  21  Dexterity
  Slot 2:  20  Hits
  Slot 3:  8  Spirit Resist
  Slot 4:  8  Energy Resist
Utility: 51.0


Right Wrist
Name: Dazzling Verdant Bracer
Level: 51 Quality: 99
  Slot 1:  15  Dexterity
  Slot 2:  15  Acuity
  Slot 3:  60  Hits
  Slot 4:  6  Power
Utility: 39.0


Feedback appreciated.

.

Harkon wrote:

Uvea wrote:....Feedback appreciated.

Looks good (best possible charges) - take it if u dont want to spend that little more money for more MP parts and allcap.

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2 Handed
Name: Crafted Item9
Level: 51 Quality: 99
Imbue Points: 33.5 of 32 Overcharge: 1,5
Gem 1: 16 Charisma - Polished Icy Essence Jewel
Gem 2: 5 Crush Resist - Flawed Fiery Shielding Jewel
Gem 3: 9 Thrust Resist - Polished Airy Shielding Jewel
Gem 4: 9 Slash Resist - Polished Watery Shielding Jewel
Utility: 56.7 SC Cost: 28g 16s 20c SC Price: 28g 16s 20c

No MP Instru? and I think u should not have +Charisma on a switching Item, should work like with Hitpoints/Con/Emp, u loose that amount of Mana when u switch.

Harkon wrote:Looks good (best possible charges) - take it if u dont want to spend that little more money for more MP parts and allcap.

...

No MP Instru? and I think u should not have +Charisma on a switching Item, should work like with Hitpoints/Con/Emp, u loose that amount of Mana when u switch.

Thanks

The instruments will be MP. I'll probably overcharge a bit more in order to get the +2% missing energy.

I skipped the charisma bit though - which is much more annoying. Thanks for noticing.

"--> 75 quickness for evade"

Is this a joke?