The X-realming makes me want to blow my face off.

so don't do it?

I can understand disliking active continual cross realming but I don't see a problem with realm shifting provided that one commits. A friend and I just moved to Hibernia but we obliterated every resource we have on Midgard first and have absolutely no intention of returning. My argument would be invalid with multiple servers but that's not the case here (nor should it be). The game is really vastly different depending on which realm you're playing and I don't see why the general user should have to miss 2/3 of it based on an initial uninformed decision!

many players have level 50 toons in all realms and change their realm multiple times a day.

some guilds even do it in groups.

this is what hurts the server

catania wrote:many players have level 50 toons in all realms and change their realm multiple times a day.

some guilds even do it in groups.

this is what hurts the server

I don't see the problem, when guilds do it they usually log the realm with least players, I don't know about anyone who says: ok guys, let's log the realm with most people so we have no inc !

We need some kind of time restriction between realm switches (1-2hr imo). This would do wonders.

It is rampant. It hurt the live server in the long run, and its hurting this server now.

I can clearly say that Xrealming is definitely NOT encouraged and not welcomed. There will be measures. But when something will be made in this regard is not known yet. Staff made it clear on several occasions that its not ok. We don't ban it but our stance is quite clear.

What about us late night US players? Sometimes we have to switch realms if we want to RvR but it seems staff doesn't want that to be possible.

Austerim wrote:What about us late night US players? Sometimes we have to switch realms if we want to RvR but it seems staff doesn't want that to be possible.

I think we can all empathize with this situation. However, I do not believe we should ever expect to have constant rvr action, especially not late night US (10pm -1AM CST is pretty stone-cold dead). Not to mention we're playing a game that is over 10 years old, on a free server - constant RVR? Only in my dreams...

The whole concept of DAOC and realm vs realm was designed so that you chose a team and stuck with it. I know, I know everyone already knows this... But I feel that many of the players on Uthgard (especially the more experienced, veteran players) have lost sight of what it means to commit to one realm. By constantly switching realms to satisfy one's personal agenda we are neglecting the community as a whole. We lose the sense of camaraderie and belonging that exists when you devote yourself to a single team, rather than switching back and forth.

I can't tell you how many times I've heard people arguing in /broad, spewing negative comments about player x and how they "own them" on their other class in another realm. I've seen people refuse to help another simply because they held a personal grudge against that player while on a different realm. This is ridiculous and pathetic. Being part of Hib, Mid or Alb should be accompanied by a sense of pride. Players should be proud to know that toons in other realms hate them, and the community should support them while cheering them on wildly.

I know this is simply my opinion and obviously others have a different outlook on this topic. Unfortunately, with the way things are run now the "community" that I described above is almost non-existent except for the few players that stick to one realm. Rather, it is like playing on counter-strike and people sticking with their clans (guilds) or close group of friends. This is not what Camelot is about, and is definitely not what the original creators had in mind.

I applaud anyone who has stuck to 1 realm for the 10+ years of DAoC.

I'd also like to say, get over it. It's far beyond the point of trying to fix this issue. Players have numerous devices to communicate with each other, and have already established their friendship/enemies. We're already exposed, do you expect players to just terminate relationships so few of you could somewhat get a feel for how it was back in the day?

If this was the beginning of the server, whereas nobody has created characters in other realms nor had access to the other realms I could see this being beneficial. As of the current state of Uthgard, at this point in time, it would be an unwise move to place such restrictions.

Other points to add, this server does not have a huge population. Players are easier to identify, in-realm feuding will arise as players have diverse playstyles. As Austerim mentioned above, there are low-population times where realm-jumping/arranging fights is essential to get a fight. It's rather idiotic to sit in a realm that already has several groups about competing to fight/add one, if not, a few groups out (Sometimes even NOTHING!). Sitting in the realm that appears to be overcrowded will do one of the following: encourage players to swap to another realm to keep the action flowing, log out due to lack of action, or force the enemy to log out because there is too much action to handle with the few numbers that realm has available to RvR.

I don't think players realize how difficult it is at low-peek times to keep action going. Trying to acquire at least 5+ players willing to RvR (Even level 40+) . . . it's difficult. Grabbing a "Kill 20 players of X realm" task sets a bar so high, you may have to stay up that entire night just to finish it. That is how pathetic it is.

The only time I felt x-realming was a major issue is when there were events that involved massive battlegroups that offerred rewards such as Uthalis to the winning realm. Relics are hardly an issue here as they don't have the heavy 10% bonuses per relic as they had on live, which immensely damaged the populations of each realm when clustering servers began.

It's far beyond the point of trying to fix this issue. Players have numerous devices to communicate with each other, and have already established their friendship/enemies.

It's never too late to work on fixing things. The Devs are still (years after launch) implementing significant changes that impact the game in ways that many of us *used* to take for granted (e.g. artificer stone removal). They are slowly making changes to improve this server to match their vision of perfection. With time and a little work I do think it is possible to change the feel of Uthgard as far as realm camaraderie goes.

As far as communication methods - obviously we could not prevent all xrealm communication, but I do believe we could significantly decrease the traffic. A few quick ideas that pop into my head...

A) Add a time-limit between switching realms (the longer the better imo, 1-2 hours sounds reasonable to me).
B) Remove the ability to private message on IRC and make sure there are plenty mods (allow players to mod?) the chat channel to ensure no one is relaying illegal information. I understand there are other means of communication, but targeting the most popular ones are a good way to split up the population.

Even with the ability to xrealm communicate, their ability to significantly affect the server game play (e.g. relic raids) will be hindered due to the inability to switch realms within x amount of time.

Friends & enemies? You'll make new ones.

As of the current state of Uthgard, at this point in time, it would be an unwise move to place such restrictions.

Why? People would quit? Where else would they go? You could say the same thing about every nerf.

People will adapt - they always do.

there are low-population times where realm-jumping/arranging fights is essential to get a fight.

If everyone didn't have 100 characters on all three different realms, maybe players and their play times would be a bit more predictable.

This is a touchy subject... I understand we're you're coming from, I just don't like the idea of arranging fights. If you're interested in arranging fights why not go play on an instant 50 server? I'd honestly be interested to see where the entire server stood on this issue as far as a vote went.

Grabbing a "Kill 20 players of X realm" task sets a bar so high, you may have to stay up that entire night just to finish it. That is how pathetic it is.

I'm honestly amazed I still see 800+ people playing on this game at one time, ON THE SAME SERVER! With this population it's "idiotic" to think that there will, or should, always be rvr action.

The only time I felt x-realming was a major issue is when there were events that involved massive battlegroups that offerred rewards such as Uthalis to the winning realm

Well maybe if the server changed we could have more events like this. Boy can you imagine having an event without people swapping over to the favored team?
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And just for the record, I am not advocating for 100% realm devotion - I know this is unrealistic and will never happen. However, I would like to see some limit affecting how fast you can realm switch.

I would not consider liquidating all assets in one realm to move to another realm and starting fresh "x-realming". I, too, made the mistake of re-rolling on Mid when I returned from a long break. I had forgotten how mid can be and decided to join a friend in Hibernia. I was able to x-fer my coins over but even I felt like I was doing something wrong (despite it not being against the rules yet). A realm re-roll is a personal decision to abandon alot of invested time for a better gaming experience and should not be frowned upon by anyone.

That said - having multiple 50's across 3 realms and jumping to where the most action is should be frowned upon and against the rules. If not against the rules atleast subject to a timer to prevent things from being so easy. A 1 hour timer would do alot. Yes, it could be worked around with certain measures, but alot of people are lazy and wouldn't go through the trouble. It would be enough to keep an honest person honest.

MrTannerWOLD wrote:That said - having multiple 50's across 3 realms and jumping to where the most action is should be frowned upon and against the rules.

How is this bad, I really fail to understand this...

It allows for realms to become unbalanced quickly. For example:

Emain has 4FGA / 3FGM / 2FGH. Hibs getting rolled by Mid and Alb left and right. Hib players, instead of calling for more players or trying to help guild mates get to RvR level, the way it was on live in the old days, they just go log their Alb/Mid 50's and join in on the action. It could be a matter of 1 hour and the population becomes 5FGA / 4FGM / .5 group Hib spamming /lfg for help. I remember days when getting whipped in RvR then going to help lower level guildies level so they could join us in RvR and help win.

Their are other implications of cross realming without any timer. One could log Hib and hang out for an hour and see that their is a raid going on (relic, keep, etc) and decide that instead of joining the raid for minimal RP's that they will go to another realm and organize an anti-raid and force large inc in RvR.