Title says it all fellas!

Uthgard 2.0, will hybrids be viable in Hib groups due to access to Group Purge? Opinions?
I am seriously considering rolling a Champion over a Hero (I know I know, madness!) I am looking to duo with most likely a warden, possibly a bard, but I would still like to option to participate in a viable 8-man setup - 42 shield is an option, not a great one, but it's there.

I know champions are stellar duelers, but what more after that? Can they effectively replace an off-tank (not that BM's are much to talk about, sorry! ps. I don't forsee alb or mid groups running supp RM's or earth theurgs to counter 2h trains) or more so a hero/spearo in peeling?.

I have some concerns in the PvE area as well, but not as important. I understand the lack of defense will give a bit of a disadvantage on the receiving end and downtime may be a bit worse than with a hero. Would probably not be the first pick for Hulks groups due to the inability to really "tank".

My reasoning behind the madness: The versatility with the small man/duo. The snare and debuffs are pretty key in such fights , especially with a lack of charge (I know how crappy it can be to not have a snare or charge as melee). Combining de-haste with PBT is nasty.

Also considered VW...but..eh..

-Buzzkill

Hero

Hero gets Trip + Prevent Flight + Determination.

Ranger

Hybrids are the suck with old RA's.

i´d say hib is the most friendly realm when it comes to setups with hybridtanks (in theory^^). On old RA they lack the DET but offtanks lost also their ability to charge that was on a very small cooldown. Tankmovement will be slower after all (except tanks on sos!)
VW/champ would work in tanky pushsetups with at least two other det5 tanks and 2 bards if possible OR massive GP-dump against mezzes!

But noone will do it anyways :S

Austerim wrote:Hero gets Trip + Prevent Flight + Determination.

So much for your gimp char?

I can still see champions being viable in 8v8 scenarios, but only time will tell.

To answer this question you would need to ask yourself, do you have a set 8 man to play with? Zerging? PvE? what?


Some of the top 8v8 groups on hib in the original days ran 2 hero and 1 champ in their group for the snares+debuffs to burst someone down. All in all, any good group can run either (usually both) and in my opinion having the extra utility is very nice.

Bard, hero (guard/peel), chanter, eld, chanter, Druid, Druid, insert extra here.
That's 4 pets, loads of short duration CC and a LOT of pain.
Then again, once pet gets cc'd

VW/Champ is good choice for duo with bard or small man groups and I would say champ is better choice here, because of the debuffs and shield slam/block.

Hero/Bm have the better group utility but are good too for small man or duo too, so their total use is higher, because they are not limited to duo/small man groups.

Tanks without det. are a weakness for groups in my opinion, because a cc´ed tank is like a dead group member, no push, no pressure, no big action= easy to handle by enemy groups. Some ppl might say it doesn ´t matter if you don ´t have det. and the root/mezz is 10sec. more or less are unimportant. I think that ´s wrong, even 10 sec. can be like eternity in rvr and can make a big difference in result of fights.

If you ´ve a strong guild/pug/bard by your side, it doesn ´t matter so much what you pick, because they can compensate a hybrid when they know how to play. But if you don ´t have a good/big reputation you will having problems finding a group in rvr, I guess.