I came over from Midgard to help the balance. Based on what I've seen here's the classes Hib needs for RvR relevance:

1st = Hero, There's a serious lack of Heros and Champions are weak in RVR so Hero = main tank. If you like to tank, then this realm needs tanks.

2nd Bard, Bards are scarce and much needed. If you wanna support, play a bard.

3rd Druid, Mid was overloaded with healers and Hib is under populated with them. Get your druid on if you like to heal.

4th Eldritch, The most powerful caster in the game but very group dependent. Power hungry Bamf's apply here.

5th Blademaster, While BM's are growing, there's still a serious lack of Melee and at this point whether BM or Hero, Melee is in desperate need.

Thanks

First, I just want to say I appreciate you coming over from Mid and making this post to help other players who might be looking to do the same.

Second, what I have to say might start an argument, but I believe it is for the health and stability of the population of the server, and an argument isn't my intention. Without further ado:

I don't think it's quite right to pigeon-hole an entire realm that has 13 classes down to just 5 because of "RvR relevance." There are a lot useful classes and team compositions that work on Hib outside of Bard, Druid, Druid/Bard, Hero, BM, BM/Hero, Eld.

For example, Champs bring a lot to the table. They have all of the spec skills a Hero has, plus two ranged interrupts and debuffs (which hit for almost 2x their delve value on players). Yes, they have less HP and no Det, but if your Bard/Ment is competent and used to playing with Champs they can help you out should you get mezzed. A rooted Champ can also continue to interrupt with spells and sling debuffs where all a Hero can do is ride it out (albeit a shorter duration with Det) and maybe plunk a few people with a shortbow.

Mentalists are the secondary demezzer for Hib, which can help a lot since a lot of groups tend to focus a Bard first because they're so dangerous in a fight. They also have access to long-duration single target mezz, and if specced for demezz have a 44s duration one (not terrific, but better than a Light Eld's for a single person). They can heal in a pinch and can join in on a heat debuff train (which still works, just requires a bit more coordination).

Wardens are pretty good, especially since they provide PBT and that's about the only thing that can slow down a tank train. They're passable peelers, provide secondary resists (which covers BOTH primary AOE mez types of Mid/Alb), can provide buffs so when your Bard is trained in the first few seconds of a fight you don't lose base buffs, and they have decent heals. There's also very, very few of them being played right now.

Valewalkers fall into a similar boat as Champs; great damage, interrupts, and peeling but no Det. Want to surprise the crap out of an enemy team? Carry around a staff and swap it out when you go into melee. Nothing like wasting a tank train's time when they think you're an Animist and they try to plow through your 33% absorb plus ablatives instead of a healer.

Animists are amazing at backloading damage on a target. Send 3-4 bombers at someone and switch to lifetaps as the first one arrives at the target. Unless the enemy healer sees it coming they won't be able to react in time to save the person. Combine this with a caster train and it's almost impossible to save a person from it. Tanglers (root shrooms) are awesome in your backfield to peel off your squishies. Animists also have a rooting bomber, which is nice since Hib generally lacks roots because only Druids get them and they tend to be busy healing in RvR.

So just know there's a lot of options out there outside of what has been established as "relevant." Again, not trying to start an argument, but I do believe that an elitist 8v8 attitude of "you can only play these five classes to compete" will do more harm than good in the server's longevity.

Rynzer, while you definitely bring up valid points regarding those other classes (I couldn't agree more about their utility/strengths), I think based on your concluding statement that you've missed the intent of the OP. I'm not here to begin an argument either, but to simply clarify for you and others viewing this thread so that further misunderstandings can be avoided

The OP clearly states: "Based on what I've seen here's the classes Hib needs for RvR relevance," and not "you can only play these five classes to compete" like your closing argument suggests.

Mind you, the OP is bringing this perspective to the Hibernia realm forums from his former/recent experiences on Midgard. I'm a former Midgard player myself, and currently considering which realm (Alb or Hib) to migrate to after having deleted my 42 dwarf pac healer last night. If you go on the Midgard or General forums, there are frequent posts about server imbalance and how Midgard's population gives it the advantage in RvR, "attempting" relic raids (with little/no opposition), constantly owning DF, etc. So the OP is coming here to lend his personal perspective ("Based on what I've seen") to help players like me who are considering the move to determine what's currently needed/lacking, not necessarily what I should/shouldn't play.

I really appreciate the information that Pop provided. I've noticed he's trying to teach you guys how to use the LFG Tool in-game as well, another feature that Midgard clearly outperforms everyone with using. Sounds like this realm needs more people like Pop looking out for their best interest, and maybe fewer Beta males like Rynzer whose "expertise" suggests there's more utility in an RvR group with Champs, Ments, Wards, VWs, and Animists over a group consisting of Heros, Bards, Druids, Elds, and BMs...

Rynzer, your response suggests that despite the potential for starting an argument (and again, I'm not arguing here, just sort of rationalizing this all as I go along here, since I'm bored and high while waiting in queue) that sharing your views was necessary because you "believe it is for the health and stability of the population of the server." What globalist agenda are you trying to spread here? The OP is concerned about HIB'S population, not the server bud. I mean, I'm glad that you feel so empowered that you think your thoughts and opinions here would somehow HELP in IMPROVING the health and stability of the server pop. But if a realm doesn't have enough of its more traditional classes to fill groups, both in PvE and RvR, then it is going to suffer; And if one realm suffers, then the other two (or one) will dominate; And if one/two realms end up dominating the sever, then I'd think the overall server population would suffer as well, but that's just my assumption.

So, as a player who is seriously considering a realm move I really appreciate the intent of this post and its information, Pop. Especially considering I'm the intended recipient of said message (a NEW hib player) and not an overly sensitive Champ, Ment, Ward, VW, Animist like Rynzer - at least I'm guessing he plays one or more of those classes since it seems he feels the need to interject his misguided, "and yet well intended", opinions on a thread not even intended for him, a CURRENT Hib, to justify playing one or more of those classes himself. Hib is losing the fight, and assuming you're Hib, Rynzer, that makes you part of the problem. So folks, listen to the OP here, who (as a reminder) gave up playing on the realm everyone cries about dominating the server to come help out Hib.

Rynzer, your advice sucks. Sorry dude, there's just no other way to say it. You're fired.

For the record, I play a Warden.

Vman, your post started off making a fine counter-point. Then it regressed into being condescending, until it ultimately ended up being downright disrespectful and inflammatory.

I've played Hib for a very long time (since 2002), and this is exactly the kind of elitism that drives people away from Hibernia and has kept PUGs from being a commonality. No one is willing to run a group that perhaps may not be optimal, but could still do well if everyone cooperates and understands each others' vulnerabilities.

OP's advice is sound, but there ARE other options.

I think both Rynzer and Pop's posts are informative. Anyone new to hibernia needs to be informed about how each class plays and what their strengths and weaknesses are. Let the Hibernians choose for themselves what they want to play after they have been educated about their classes potential role in RvR.

And I will agree about Vman's post, at first you started off very neutral but then your post got quite confrontational. Both of the first two posters were trying to help out Hibernia, just in different ways. More information is better, nobody is forcing anyone to play x or y class.

lack of eldies.. my favorite class. man that light/mana eldie has some tools.
i made the mistake of leaving my hib love and rolling alb for friends. if i could even get a 25% return on my plat id switch today..

Interesting inputs for both of you guys (Pop an Rynzer).

Thanks for that. I personally want to main a Hero, but so far I've found it very difficult to keep up with the gear costs. Added to that the fact that most of the groups seem to not really care about tanks since they are way less needed in Hibernia than any of the other two realms (PvE wise), it makes things even harder.

So I finally caved in and rolled a "farming" character to help finance my "operations", but not being able to play a lot (most of my free time is spent in the queue...), it will take a while before my main is up and ready.

I think currently I'm probably not alone in this situation, and a lot of person are still in farming mode, hence why the population is probably pushing towards these types of classes. Things will probably adjust in a few weeks, at least I hope!

defill wrote:lack of eldies.. my favorite class. man that light/mana eldie has some tools.
i made the mistake of leaving my hib love and rolling alb for friends. if i could even get a 25% return on my plat id switch today..

Forget about the money! Do it !!

i know but..im talking like 40p worth of crap if i could even get 4. or 1p and a house lol id be there with 3-4 buddies tonight

defill wrote:i know but..im talking like 40p worth of crap if i could even get 4. or 1p and a house lol id be there with 3-4 buddies tonight

Yep, I'm on board to move to Hib, too. I have about 8-10p myself and Master SC on Alb... Going to reroll Hib, but I don't want to start from scratch again after working so hard the past couple weeks.

Man, if devs would offer some sort of package for players willing to /delete and move to underpop realm, I would be in Hib tonight. Even if it were 1/2 of current plat.

I'll move to Hib eventually, but I'm not moving until I can trade over some of what I've earned...

Oh, and I'll prob roll a bard or eldie

You managed to get all this in less than 2 weeks! Come on guys!

I won't even have that amount of gold, even less with a Master crafter in a month (probably not even 2 with the queues situation..), but it's still something you need to think over?

How long will you play this game? 2 weeks seems like a very short time to me, so may as well make the switch right away (I doubt any such incentives to switch realms will be put in, well, not unless the most pressing matters are addressed).

i just deleted my Mids to try Alb before deleting my Pally to come here. Made a Hero but leveling is just terrible. I have 3 pieces of armor, a blue shield, and a blue weapon. I cant solo anything higher than a green without sitting and groups only seem to want caster DPS. Its an uphill battle so I guess I have 2 choices. Either go back to Mid where they love their Tanks or fall in line with everyone else and make an Enchanter or Animist. I dont mind playing melees and on Live i had a Reaver, Friar, VW, Berserker, and Savage. Its very clear from my long day just trying to get to level 5 that unless you have a guild whos willing to carry you, theres no groups out there at low levels. I mean great theres groups looking for level 30+ tanks now that Hibs are getting DF. Hopefully I will be there in a few months. No one is going to play a class that isnt wanted in groups, which is pretty ****** Ironic considering you need them for RvR and DF raids.

Wishbone wrote:i just deleted my Mids to try Alb before deleting my Pally to come here. Made a Hero but leveling is just terrible. I have 3 pieces of armor, a blue shield, and a blue weapon. I cant solo anything higher than a green without sitting and groups only seem to want caster DPS. Its an uphill battle so I guess I have 2 choices. Either go back to Mid where they love their Tanks or fall in line with everyone else and make an Enchanter or Animist. I dont mind playing melees and on Live i had a Reaver, Friar, VW, Berserker, and Savage. Its very clear from my long day just trying to get to level 5 that unless you have a guild whos willing to carry you, theres no groups out there at low levels. I mean great theres groups looking for level 30+ tanks now that Hibs are getting DF. Hopefully I will be there in a few months. No one is going to play a class that isnt wanted in groups, which is pretty ****** Ironic considering you need them for RvR and DF raids.

im sitting at level 11 with my bm, can be lame at first buy saying you can't find group is absolutely false. A tank is always welcomed

Even focus groups need a tank to peel for them. Tank groups become more popular around level 30 since a good tank group can about keep up with a focus group.

Just keep pluggin away, try and find quests that give gear, and kills mobs that drop stuff (mostly humanoids).

It also helps a lot when you do your epic quests as soon as they are available as a tank... lots of nice armor pieces there which are still passable even when turning green because of 100% qual

guirssane wrote:

Wishbone wrote:i just deleted my Mids to try Alb before deleting my Pally to come here. Made a Hero but leveling is just terrible. I have 3 pieces of armor, a blue shield, and a blue weapon. I cant solo anything higher than a green without sitting and groups only seem to want caster DPS. Its an uphill battle so I guess I have 2 choices. Either go back to Mid where they love their Tanks or fall in line with everyone else and make an Enchanter or Animist. I dont mind playing melees and on Live i had a Reaver, Friar, VW, Berserker, and Savage. Its very clear from my long day just trying to get to level 5 that unless you have a guild whos willing to carry you, theres no groups out there at low levels. I mean great theres groups looking for level 30+ tanks now that Hibs are getting DF. Hopefully I will be there in a few months. No one is going to play a class that isnt wanted in groups, which is pretty ****** Ironic considering you need them for RvR and DF raids.

im sitting at level 11 with my bm, can be lame at first buy saying you can't find group is absolutely false. A tank is always welcomed

Wishbone wrote:i just deleted my Mids to try Alb before deleting my Pally to come here. Made a Hero but leveling is just terrible. I have 3 pieces of armor, a blue shield, and a blue weapon. I cant solo anything higher than a green without sitting and groups only seem to want caster DPS. Its an uphill battle so I guess I have 2 choices. Either go back to Mid where they love their Tanks or fall in line with everyone else and make an Enchanter or Animist. I dont mind playing melees and on Live i had a Reaver, Friar, VW, Berserker, and Savage. Its very clear from my long day just trying to get to level 5 that unless you have a guild whos willing to carry you, theres no groups out there at low levels. I mean great theres groups looking for level 30+ tanks now that Hibs are getting DF. Hopefully I will be there in a few months. No one is going to play a class that isnt wanted in groups, which is pretty ****** Ironic considering you need them for RvR and DF raids.

Go to Ardee and the tower west of TNN north gate for kill tasks. Avoid Muire Tomb. A player can get to level 20 within 30 hours playing time (or less) if you do my procedure below. You'll be free for the Spraggon Den, Mermen, etc once you're level 20. My Nightshade is a lowbie Tailor (505) so he can't help much with heavy armor, but I would Broadcast in TNN if you're looking for gear. Just be polite about it. Lastly, there are Druids, Bards, and Wardens out there that need groups! Just don't forget to help out your Nightshades and Rangers.

My two favorite spots were the tower west of TNN's north entrance and Ardee. You'll get a lot of the same kill tasks. The following technique worked well for my Nightshade.

When next to the task giver, do the following:
/loc (this will give you X and Y)
/macro tasker /faceloc X Y

When you find a target, do the following:
/loc (this will give you X and Y)
/macro target /faceloc X Y

Procedure:
1. Get the task.
2. Hit the macro button for that target.
3. Auto-run to target location.
4. Kill target.
5. Hit the macro button for the task giver.
6. Auto-run to task giver.