So Friday night I had a moment. The relics were taken from mid by Alb and I started a group for RvR to attempt to intercept the relics and have a shot at returning ours. Ended up that making this group wasn't worth it. One person would only go out with a certain setup and another only wanted to 8v8. So I broke the group up and logged for the night in disgust.

Sunday, I logged on and attempted to get a Keep Retake raid together.(First time Raid Leader) We ended up getting about 2 1/2 fg's or so of mostly casters to go attempt to take some keeps. Sunday was a busy day and upon making it to emain, we found 1fg mids. I called for attack to attempt to wipe them out of hib so we could take crauch in quiet, but that was not to happen. Seemed there were multiple mid groups in the area and they came to defend their 1 group and we were rolled.

After that, I took the rest of sunday to PvE because it just didn't feel worth it to RvR. There seems to be no realm pride when it comes to Hibernia. I really don't get it. Say what you want about my guild, but it really seems like we're one of the few attempting to get forces together to go out and attempt to get things done. Whether that be keep defense, relic raids/intercepts, opening DF or just try and clear the enemy forces from our realm. We're hardly the only Hibs out there but any time we try to get something together, it seems pulling teeth to get folks interested/involved. Even when we did have a relic, getting folks to come out to escort to our keeps was horrible, maybe 3fg's if that, which is why we lost the relic.

What will it take to get other guilds and alliances involved? It's bad enough, that when we try and get something done it seems the enemy always know where we are. Not sure if this is a spy issue some where, bad luck or streaming but certainly frustrating.

I'm just at the point where it seems Hibernia will do everything but work together and until we can all work together, we will never have anything. All our relics are held by other realms and even stepping into Breifine yesterday was like watching a cluster ******. Both Alb and Mids in hib frontiers farming Hibs is what it seemed like, which is why I stopped RvRing. I'm, personally, not here for the 8v8 dick measuring contest. I know I'm not great at RvR. I try and learn what I can and do my best and try and have fun however it's just not fun being a Hib anymore.

Sorry for the wall of text, but what will it take to get more Hib guilds/alliances working together? We don't have to necessarily like each other but we need to at least try to work together to get some realm issues resolved. What needs to happen to make this a thing because as it stands now, there is more 8v8 groups fighting and dieng and then ****** talking each other either in-game or on the forums than anything else.

TLDR; What needs to happen to get Hibernia to work together as a realm and not just flame each other over 8v8 performance?

Hibs are weeks behind albs and mids in pve progression. Most of the realm pride numbers you're looking for are simply still leveling. The BoG and Animist pet exp nerf also forced a majority of hibs to simply give up or go play easymode. I don't expect a sizeable hib force for a long time.

you are doing fine bubbler , but blood feud needs more people

ALOT MORE PEOPLE

I have talked to 2 officers and instead of inviting me they told me to send falkan a pm on the forum and he sent me an application I didn't fill out.

We are up against a massive zerg, the only way to combat a zerg is to make a massive zerg and fight back

you don't make people fill out applications.

So far Hibernia does not have any real guild that actually want to build a RVR Force, and until we do expect to get swatted around in RVR

You started as a good guild, and then evolved into the saviours of Hibernia, flamed people on the forum, pointed fingers at who was at least trying to fight the mids (its rp feeding... but only when someone else wipes to the mids), treat people like ****** in game.

Your officers are on a power trip, and you're pretty much the only good guy in that guild.

I wonder why people arent joining your raids.

From an outside observer most of Hibernia guilds want to be a low numbers elite squad but the problem is you won't hold down or take anything in the frontiers with this kind of force. You need zerg pvp to get anything done on a server with 3k + active players during prime time. You guys need large guilds and alliances to coordinate things. That's why Alb has been effective on the frontiers lately, we have 2 large alliances that covers all the active RvR guilds. There's so much more to pvp then 8v8 set up fights. Start zerging, get your rangers, animists and all those not so 100% ideal classes involved in PvP, don't be so elitist and exclusive and the realm might get some things done.

Its going to be 2-3 weeks for hibs to get the numbers to get out there... alot of people 41-44 that could use help getting xp. I'm not talking about the people who are just here to farm exp for alts and alts like out at fins or stuff... Talking about the people who are working on templates already saving for sc and working on salvagers.

Respecs haven't helped either..we need more.

Smilo wrote:You started as a good guild, and then evolved into the saviours of Hibernia, flamed people on the forum, pointed fingers at who was at least trying to fight the mids (its rp feeding... but only when someone else wipes to the mids), treat people like ****** in game.

Your officers are on a power trip, and you're pretty much the only good guy in that guild.

I wonder why people arent joining your raids.

Its rp feeding when you run out and die to the same group 9 times. Sorry we call it like we see it, and that means we are on a power trip.

Falken wrote:

Smilo wrote:You started as a good guild, and then evolved into the saviours of Hibernia, flamed people on the forum, pointed fingers at who was at least trying to fight the mids (its rp feeding... but only when someone else wipes to the mids), treat people like ****** in game.

Your officers are on a power trip, and you're pretty much the only good guy in that guild.

I wonder why people arent joining your raids.

Its rp feeding when you run out and die to the same group 9 times. Sorry we call it like we see it, and that means we are on a power trip.

so rolling more alts is the answer?

In my experience playing this game since 2003, Hibernia has had the worst "defend the realm" zergs, meaning on every server I've ever played on, whether I was Hib/Mid/Alb, Hib always had either no zerg or a very weak zerg.

Of course there have been a few exceptions, however imo I believe that Hibernia doesn't zerg as much due to Bards, that's right, Bards. You see, Bards basically control an entire FG with all of their many toys, literally, more so than any other realm Bards have complete lead over what their group does or does not do. And runnning a Zerg on Speed 6 is practically impossible.

So you have a Speed 6 class, very different from Mid and Alb Speed 6 as Skalds and Mini's get limited CC and no buffs/heals. A Minstrel or Skald will join a zerg if they want too, a casual Bard will just make a PUG FG and lead them wherever he feels like it 9 times out of 10.

Albion has zergs due to class makeup and new players to the game, that is a fact. Making a proper Alb group can be hell, so the casual Albs form up and zerg.

Mids, well Mids just get lazy sometimes and zerg it up. I played on Hib for 7 years as an Eld, and frankly in our FG we could 8v8 or Bomb zergs, but we never even thought about zerging ourselves because frankly, it's not necessary on Hib.

Smilo wrote:You started as a good guild, and then evolved into the saviours of Hibernia, flamed people on the forum, pointed fingers at who was at least trying to fight the mids (its rp feeding... but only when someone else wipes to the mids), treat people like ****** in game.

Your officers are on a power trip, and you're pretty much the only good guy in that guild.

I wonder why people arent joining your raids.

Have we met?

I was that guy that "only wanted to 8v8".

As I stated to you, I would stay until you found a replacement (group wasnt even full yet so we werent moving anyway).

As a person who literally hates zerg v zerg warfare and finds it extremely boring I can only take so much of it. I took a few keeps that day or tried to. After a while of it though I just wanted to do something I find enjoyable which is group vs group or small group action.

I dont think it means theres no realm pride, its just not something I want to do all the time ya know?

Had no idea that would cause someone to "log in disgust", hopefully we can avoid that in the future <3.

I really like the comment, we are far behind Mid/Alb in the PVE. That zerg in the Bog went on for weeks. How is it that the Bog stayed at over 200+ daily for that long and we are still behind? That should have PL'ed literally 1000 alts to 40's or 50. What where they doing rolling more chanters?

BoG exp beyond 40 was actually really bad especially if you had a low level in the group. If you duo'd with a 50 ani it was good, but for the majority you would see 1-2 mil a kill while level 50 ani were solo taking away 2.5pp/hr there.

Honestly, the only thing that made bog viable was /afk in groups. You could of solo'd faster but it was effortless exp and in return you got no money for doing it.. Now you have a bunch of 30-40s that have no money and no gear with no way to effectively level.

Flibberdee wrote:I really like the comment, we are far behind Mid/Alb in the PVE. That zerg in the Bog went on for weeks. How is it that the Bog stayed at over 200+ daily for that long and we are still behind? That should have PL'ed literally 1000 alts to 40's or 50. What were they doing rolling more chanters?

Except that they nerfed animists pets to take xp (which now deters most people who rolled and were leveling animists to be turned off), and "normalized" the spawn so really the bog can only support 30-40 people at any given time. As the comment below says the exp past 40 was really not that great, even as a solo animist spamming pets I was getting garbage experience (I tried all kinds of variations of levels of pets and it just wasn't good), however to do this bog xp you need animists out there spamming pets so actually break hit code and after EU prime time they all leave. These days Siabra City bog zerg is dead by 6-7pm PST. You can get alts 1-35ish in a couple evenings out there, but past that it is slow.

Cave Shaman wrote:you are doing fine bubbler , but blood feud needs more people

ALOT MORE PEOPLE

I have talked to 2 officers and instead of inviting me they told me to send falkan a pm on the forum and he sent me an application I didn't fill out.

We are up against a massive zerg, the only way to combat a zerg is to make a massive zerg and fight back

you don't make people fill out applications.

So far Hibernia does not have any real guild that actually want to build a RVR Force, and until we do expect to get swatted around in RVR

Despite having a large guild, it was never our intention to be a zerg guild. There is a difference in my book between being a zerg guild and actually zerging everything. As we have told members from day one, we plan to recruit heavily, but in no circumstance are we turning into a zerg guild that just swarms over everything, unless it is for a specific objective (keeps/relics/PvE) in which case zerging is just inevitable, so the #s only help towards accomplishing objectives.

We do not just invite anybody who asks to join the guild, even when people say to me "hey billybobjoe is my friend, can he get an invite to the guild?" My response is still, "please have them PM Falken on the forums", because we want to know some general info about our members and to ensure that they blend well with the environment we are to creating.