Ok so I am new on hib. I just roll a ranger today. Can someone analyze this spec I'm thinkin. This is my plan for rr4 spec.

34 path - get 180% flee, nice buffs
36 stealth - get 50 with rr/item bonus
36 bow - get rapidshot and 50 skill with item/rr bonus
11 dual - get backsnare chain
44 pierce - get evade stun chain and 58 skill with rr/item bonus

This seem like a good spec or will it be totally nerfage?

I say we need more rangers. Oh and give them charge.

ok so i got level 10 and have some questions. what exactly is celtic dual about? i have 2 weapons equipped but i randomly hit with one or the other, never together. so with this, is it better to not spec CD if you arent going to spec it high, or is it better to spec it high and spec lower main hand, or balanced in both? does lower celtic dual affect your hit chance with either weapon? any feedback about ranger dual wield would be great, im really noob with hib.

can ranger just spec for a 2h?

its total nerfage..

why?

.) you do not get your (not deserved) side-stun-i-win-button from the dual line (if you look on the changelog 1.62).
.) you also do not get your insane (and also not deserved) strong 25 bleeding (if you look on patch 1.62) (ranger should have the bleeding..but way weaker)

explanation of celtic dual for the "easymode mid" player in hib.
CD and also DW in alb do NOT hit every swing like leftaxe does^^

why?

your skill affekt the chance to hit with your offhandweapon.
so the higher your skill is the more often you hit with CD and DW.

Dual wielding weapons:

You get 50% chance to hit with either weapon.

Your chance to hit with both weapons is 25%+ (skill lvl /2)%

After you hit with both weapons your attack delay is of either of the weapons(50% chance)

Greetings
Ensiferum

EnsisFerrum wrote:Dual wielding weapons:

You get 50% chance to hit with either weapon.

Your chance to hit with both weapons is 25%+ (skill lvl /2)%

After you hit with both weapons your attack delay is of either of the weapons(50% chance)

Greetings
Ensiferum

uhm...

Celtic dual (and this is the right formulars and info)


when you gain the ability to wear 2 weapons you have a base of 25% to hit with your offhand weapon..

and each skill lvl you gain in celtic dual gives you 0,68% chance to hit with your offhand weapon..

so..

10CD = 25%+0,68*10 = 31,9% chance to hit with both weapons


so basically you always want your CD to be as high as possible.. but without "forgetting" the things you want from other spec lines..

(like 51 combined weapon, 50 combined stealth, etc)

If this question is meant seriously: With dw/cd you always swing with your mainhand. Unlike la your offhand just swings with a certain propability. This depends on your dw/cd spec. Higher specc -> higher chance that your offhand will swing. Unlike la your weapon will swing for full damage. So yes, you want a high dw/cd spec for a melee char.

Musikus wrote:its total nerfage..

why?

.) you do not get your (not deserved) side-stun-i-win-button from the dual line (if you look on the changelog 1.62).
.) you also do not get your insane (and also not deserved) strong 25 bleeding (if you look on patch 1.62) (ranger should have the bleeding..but way weaker)

Those changes went up on the 1.62 changelog but were NEVER implemented on the live servers. Why? Don't know, ask Mythic. Just fyi Wardens also got the ability to train Mastery of Blocking in a changelog, but it wasnt implemented either.

Musikus wrote:its total nerfage..

why?

.) you do not get your (not deserved) side-stun-i-win-button from the dual line (if you look on the changelog 1.62).
.) you also do not get your insane (and also not deserved) strong 25 bleeding (if you look on patch 1.62) (ranger should have the bleeding..but way weaker)

explanation of celtic dual for the "easymode mid" player in hib.
CD and also DW in alb do NOT hit every swing like leftaxe does^^

why?

your skill affekt the chance to hit with your offhandweapon.
so the higher your skill is the more often you hit with CD and DW.

Omg you write bullshit as usual. The staff never made the parry combo after evade for nightshade or ranger. AND you didnt played live? Did you? Because I had a nightshade and the sidestun was ever available for all celtic dual classes and there arent other growthrates too. Blademaster does more damage because of this damage table thats it. And it works fine otherwise unbuffed BM couldnt to up to 180 damage mainhand with blades on a pd4 ranger.

@Asta
Dont spec that low cd you will only gimp your melee damage. 0,68% more dual wield chance for each point in cd and 1% for each lvl.

You should have at least 29 CD if you want to kill something in melee. Really good combo icestorm+tempest (sidestyles). The piercing line has a sidesnare+follow up but I prefer the cd styles. But which that realmrank you wont be able to get composite 50/51 piercing and 39 cd (for the anytime combo, hurts a lot the second style but high endu costs)

All in all hybrid spec in low realmranks will be a pain. I have been always hybrid and some months sniper.

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@Alandrian
Not true best melee dps is a decent celtic dual spec. Many single hits blow a lot... no offhand damage, no cd haste and no possible offhand procs.

A SB hits twice as fast as me if I am dehasted and have only single hits.

Ronian wrote:@Alandrian
Not true best melee dps is a decent celtic dual spec. Many single hits blow a lot... no offhand damage, no cd haste and no possible offhand procs.

Well i said that he should spec high cd. What do you think should in your oppionion be wrong with that?

Ok my fault I read about something like: If you want to spec high in cd, you should make a tank

Ronian wrote:@Asta
Dont spec that low cd you will only gimp your melee damage. 0,68% more dual wield chance for each point in cd and 1% for each lvl.

Chance to hit doesn't grow with your level, you have to spec CD.
This would be 75% without any CD ?! Sounds wierd.

Razzer wrote:

Ronian wrote:@Asta
Dont spec that low cd you will only gimp your melee damage. 0,68% more dual wield chance for each point in cd and 1% for each lvl.

Chance to hit doesn't grow with your level, you have to spec CD.
This would be 75% without any CD ?! Sounds wierd.

Hum, there is really a base chance of 25%? Thought 1% each lvl because in low lvls i never had many offhand hits and 25% sounds really high for me.

0,5% / lvl would make sense

lvl 10 = 5% + spec%
lvl 50 = 25% + spec%

Yeah right, damn my mathematics skills