Kvintus wrote:@ Hedra

Why the hell do I have to keep body/spirit/energy resistence buffs up as a Cleric? It's just a waste of casting time and power! In that time (about 5 seconds) I could also have resurrected or healed somebody else.
Don't tell me that there are no body/spirit/energy resistence debuffs!
If we all agree to Hedra's (and many other's) opinion then we can say that resistences are useless at all.

I guess reading comprehension isn't your cup of tea.

Probably you're right, Maidrion. So, would you be so nice and explain to me what I've done wrong.

Kvintus wrote:@ Hedra

Why the hell do I have to keep body/spirit/energy resistence buffs up as a Cleric? It's just a waste of casting time and power! In that time (about 5 seconds) I could also have resurrected or healed somebody else.
Don't tell me that there are no body/spirit/energy resistence debuffs!
If we all agree to Hedra's (and many other's) opinion then we can say that resistences are useless at all.

First of all, no one but albs debuffs body, spirit or energy.

Body resist is important because it's 90% of the CC spells in that game. Spirit and energy, well it wouldn't make much of a difference without them, but we buff them because we have them available. I would recast a body resist spell during a fight if it fades but I wouldn't waste time with spirit/energy.

Elemental resist (heat/cold/matter) are mostly used for damage spells. If you play actual RvR you may have noticed that full casters groups almost never hit out of resist debuff, which is why I say resists buffs are not that important against them.
The exception to this is the shaman root which is matter, but our hybrids (reaver/pala) keep purge 1 for it.

In any case friar resists are not useless but definitely not worth dumping another char with a lot of utility for it...

Ok, thanks. @ Hedra

That explains a lot. I agree to your last sentence.

bloody albs ... you lads can run shat loads of rly strong setups! .. 3 tank 3 caster setups are a bit ghey to fight against tbh.. far too easy for you to push on hib caster groups, and just as easy to deal with tankspam.

Hedra wrote:

also debuffing them is not as useful as u end up at 0 instead of -25% (with 50 resi before and a 50% debuff), which makes a lot of difference

That's wrong, half of the value debuffs your base resists (from SC + racial bonus), the other half debuffs only on buffed resist part. That you have no resist buff or red one doesn't matter, you'll end up at 1% with 50% debuff.

uhm, did i get that right:

if u have like 26% resist and some1 debuffs u with -50%, u have 0 and if u have 50% resist (26+24 from buffs) and some1 debuffs u with -50%, u have 0 too?

if yes: since when? I actually know that there exist negative resists (played spirit caby a long time and i hit for xxx (+xx) in rvr as well as pve of course...

if not: why are resist-buffs not useful? getting hit for ~400 dmg (0% resist (26% (equip) + 24% (buffs) - 50% (debuff))) is much better than getting hit for ~496 (+96) dmg (-24% resists (26% (equip) - 50% (debuff)))...

if i still didnt get it, plz explain it

Half of the value works on the resists from the SC, half on buffs. The 2nd half can't go below 0.
The formula gives something like this with a red debuff :
Without resist buff => (26 - 25) + (0 - 0) = 1%
With yellow resist buff => (26 - 25) + (16 - 16) = 1%
With red resist buff => (26 - 25) + (24 - 24) = 1%

If you have less than 25% on your SC, the debuff will bring your resists to a negative value, otherwise it can't happen.

By the way I have no idea if this is livelike (I bet it's not), but that's how it works on uthgard

Hedra wrote:Half of the value works on the resists from the SC, half on buffs. The 2nd half can't go below 0.
The formula gives something like this with a red debuff :
Without resist buff => (26 - 25) + (0 - 0) = 1%
With yellow resist buff => (26 - 25) + (16 - 16) = 1%
With red resist buff => (26 - 25) + (24 - 24) = 1%

If you have less than 25% on your SC, the debuff will bring your resists to a negative value, otherwise it can't happen.

By the way I have no idea if this is livelike (I bet it's not), but that's how it works on uthgard

I think its livelike but in the old days there was just res - debuff. So you could nuke often with +damage.

the negative resis also exist here on uthgard...you can debuff targets down to -10%

Rasta go call for help on /broad!

Hedra wrote:Half of the value works on the resists from the SC, half on buffs. The 2nd half can't go below 0.
The formula gives something like this with a red debuff :
Without resist buff => (26 - 25) + (0 - 0) = 1%
With yellow resist buff => (26 - 25) + (16 - 16) = 1%
With red resist buff => (26 - 25) + (24 - 24) = 1%

If you have less than 25% on your SC, the debuff will bring your resists to a negative value, otherwise it can't happen.

By the way I have no idea if this is livelike (I bet it's not), but that's how it works on uthgard

ok, to sum it up debuffing can never take resists below -25%? (0% from SC - 25% "first half of debuff" and 0-0% for second half) - gonna test that on pendragon and see whether this is livelike

Uthgard & livelike in the same sentence. LOL

If you have 0% on SC (and no racial resist), after red debuff you will be at -25% yes. But who leaves any resist under 25% ? :p

Hedra wrote:If you have 0% on SC (and no racial resist), after red debuff you will be at -25% yes. But who leaves any resist under 25% ? :p

Assassins!

Braxis wrote:Uthgard & livelike in the same sentence. LOL

to talk of live servers being livelike would be just as curious, wouldn't it?

and the test with 0% SC is just for testing the 2-half-of-resist-debuffs-theory