Ok what is the best setup for a savage i have not started one before or yet and am new to the game, so how do i start this up.

Race

spec etc..

very new to this so please any help and info would be great..

-44h2h 49sav: hands down best spec
-while leveling keep h2h at level

-don´t go troll: it´s a guard, slam, cc, buffshear magnet
-dwarves have the worst stats for damage but the best survivability
-kobolds and norsemen aren´t bad either
-valkyns have pretty horrible stats and are fugly, but have good resists

-i´d go berserker over savage because they halve block and can spike controlled

maybe then i will go Dwarf keep my attribute bonus skill set to where they are auto set or change them to like str con etc..

Oh what do i run for a spec line i wanna do some serious dps and hit like a freight train as this guy can go.

Don't choose dwarf... troll is the best choice, kobold or viking are also decent.

-don´t go troll: it´s a guard, slam, cc, buffshear magnet

You think a tank will be ignored because they're not troll ? :p

well to late already level 5 and dont realy wanna start over... i know its only 5 levels but i been doing this a little to often... no biggy dwarf look cool..

of course not

but a troll will get way more aggro

also 5% body resi on dwarves >>> anything a troll has to offer

especially with old RAs


if you play modern daoc in a hybrid group your first priority will be surving anyway. killing stuff comes second and even in killing a troll will hardly be better (unless for 2h ofc) with 30 or so weaponskill more and a tough time to reach 250qui.

i am happy with the dwarf anyhow, like th elooks of them over the troll personally, But thanks for the input on that so savage and h2h ok i doing that how about parry, no? or that latter down the road?

1. Troll
2. Kobold
3. Norseman
4. Dwarf
5. Valkyn

you just picked the second worst race for your class because you listened to a person who talks about "modern daoc" and "rvr aggro" in the same post. Have Fun.

it doesn't matter what race you pick. Each race can be better than the others depending on the group, and situation.

A kobold will out damage all other races when celeirty is not up and you have yellow DQ. A norseman will do the same damage as a kobold though when celerity is not up with a red DQ, or if the norse can afford aug quick 3. A troll will out damage both as soon as celerity goes up.


But the difference in damage between all those is absolutely unnoticable when compared to the amount of damage you lose to any type of shield behing involved in your hitting the enemy, whether that's an unspecced shield or guard. Does race really matter all that much to me? no...play whatever you want and avoid the guard...

if weapon stat ever starts effecting block rate like it does on live, the troll will be slightly better than the others in that regard might even do more damage without celerity with blockrate taken into account.

Force wrote:A kobold will out damage all other races when celeirty is not up and you have yellow DQ.

Actually a valkyn would. same str/dex and 5qui more...

but differences in damage are really minor. (trolls have about 3% more weaponskill then dwarves .. but less qui ...)

let´s talk troll vs vakyn a bit just to show what an idiot bawww is:

trolls have

-6.75 more (str+dex)/2
-40 less quickness

so a troll will outdamage a valkyn when cele is up by a tiny amount while being outdamaged A LOT (12.5% base damage over time [assuming yellow specs/red selfhaste]) when cele is down

-140 hps more

well that´s pretty nice

-the worst racial resists ever compared to the best racial resists ever

trolls get 5% matter which is absolutly useless while valkyn get 5% cold which is pretty nice as every hib group should have a light eld AND 5% body which is pretty much all CC you will be facing and pretty much all castdamage of albs.

oh and: melee resists are also better for valkyn

to sum it up:

clearly trolls are the best and valkyn the worst race for savages

why?:

because bawww says so


disclaimer:

no selfrespecting human being could stand the uglyness of a valkyn for more then a minute.

Edit:

Anyone who denies that trolls get more attention has obviously never played daoc before anyway.

Hi, I see you raged and called me an idiot.

"A troll attracts attention" what does that mean? A troll is going to get sheared/nuked first instead of a kobold because he is a troll? Let's all play inconnu mercs because hey, half ogres will draw away the attention DERP DERP. I bet you yell "RANGER ADD" when you see a bard using rr5.

Jarysa wrote:so a troll will outdamage a valkyn when cele is up by a tiny amount while being outdamaged A LOT (12.5% base damage over time [assuming yellow specs/red selfhaste]) when cele is down

Ah I see, you are like the mids that say "Celerity doesn't matter, we are out of range 99% of the time cause we overextend like retards anyway".
Troll has the same melee resists, but GOOD THING ABOUT MAGIC RESISTS WHEW, eld is going to nuke you for 10 less damage, and root will last half a second less.
And btw the difference in damage stats is 7.5.

On the looks


Thank you, come again when you rage.

So should i then just reroll a Troll then before i get to high in level i am 7 level now i know it's not much if thats where i should be then i will i just like to be strong adn hit hard and take my oponents down fast if i can..

bawww wrote:Hi, I see you raged and called me an idiot.

"A troll attracts attention" what does that mean? A troll is going to get sheared/nuked first instead of a kobold because he is a troll? Let's all play inconnu mercs because hey, half ogres will draw away the attention DERP DERP. I bet you yell "RANGER ADD" when you see a bard using rr5.

Useless blah won´t make your epeen grow larger.

I like your example, tho. Because THRUST (which is str/dex like h2h) inconnu mercs will outdamage THRUST (which is str/dex like h2h) HO mercs. (again inconnus come with better resists, too)

For slash/crush inconnu is obviously fail.

bawww wrote:

Jarysa wrote:so a troll will outdamage a valkyn when cele is up by a tiny amount while being outdamaged A LOT (12.5% base damage over time [assuming yellow specs/red selfhaste]) when cele is down

Ah I see, you are like the mids that say "Celerity doesn't matter, we are out of range 99% of the time cause we overextend like retards anyway".
Troll has the same melee resists, but GOOD THING ABOUT MAGIC RESISTS WHEW, eld is going to nuke you for 10 less damage, and root will last half a second less.
And btw the difference in damage stats is 7.5.

You´re right about the 7.5. Still pretty much nothing as we´re talking stats above 300. As you obvouisly failed all your math classes ever (elds don´t nuke for 200 against 0 resists): that is an 2.5% increase. 5% body is also ~0.9secs off a single mezz/root or about 10% less time cc´d (with old det5). Obviously better then 2.5% more damage under perfect conditions. How often do you think a savage gets a target below 2% health alone and the target survives? Once in 20k rp maybe?

If cele is up 80% (!!) of the time (which is needed for a troll to outdamage a valkyn) you´re owning the enemy so bad you´d have won that fight with the savage afk.

TL;DR: don´t go troll. it´s for all hat no cattle people.

Jarysa wrote:Actually a valkyn would. same str/dex and 5qui more...

quickness caps at 250 which a kobold has with yellow DQ so the valks 5 extra quick is wasted.